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MarysRoots
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6 Jan 2014 23:31 |
hello,
I'm trying to find Sarah Harvey b abt 1797 in Newport Shropshire I found the family on 1851 Census living in Marsh Lane her husband Charles Harvey died in 1853 still in Marsh lane his wife is not on death cert
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Mary
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ErikaH
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6 Jan 2014 23:34 |
She would only be named on the cert if she registered the death....................
You'll need to look for a marriage to find her maiden name before you can hope to research her antecedents. I presume that's what you mean by 'trying to find' her.......................
Start here.................
https://familysearch.org/
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patchem
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6 Jan 2014 23:37 |
Do you mean you are looking for the death of Sarah, or their marriage, or 1841 census?
Is he married or a widower on the certificate?
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patchem
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6 Jan 2014 23:42 |
If this family, then birth certificate of youngest will have Sarah's maiden name?
1841 England Census Sarah Harvey Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798 Gender: Female Where born: Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Newport Hundred: South Bradford (Newport Division) County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Registration District: Newport Sub-registration District: Newport Piece: 906 Book: 7 Folio: 31 Page Number: 8 Charles Harvey 47 Sarah Harvey 43 Samuel Harvey 14 Henry Harvey 12 George Harvey 5 Abraham Harvey 4 Emma Harvey 2 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 906; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Newport; County: Shropshire; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 31; Page: 8; Line: 4; GSU roll: 474581.
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MarysRoots
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6 Jan 2014 23:44 |
Hello I am trying to find Sarah's death it does not say he is a widower the person present at death was Sarah Maddox I think could be their daughter reggie She was Sarah Patrick before marriage
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Mary
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patchem
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6 Jan 2014 23:51 |
Still alive here (Simpsons with her in 1851) 1871 England Census Sarah Harvey Age: 73 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Newport, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Stoke upon Trent Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Longton County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration District: Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration District: Longton ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Household Schedule Number: 82 Piece: 2877 Folio: 111 Page Number: 16 Sarah Harvey 73 Thomas Simpson 18 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2877; Folio: 111; Page: 16; GSU roll: 836389.
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ErikaH
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7 Jan 2014 09:19 |
Look for death info using freebmd............
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
It is vital to say what you actually want to know when asking for help...................
Have you tried finding her in censuses AFTER 1851?
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PricklyHolly
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7 Jan 2014 09:43 |
Have you considered this...
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Sarah Harvey Name: Sarah Harvey Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1877 Age at Death: 76 Registration District: Stoke upon Trent Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 150
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Catherine
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7 Jan 2014 13:09 |
Looks as though Sarah may have remarried:-
1861 England Census about Sarah Bennett Name: Sarah Bennett Age: 61 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1800 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: John Bennett Gender: Female Where born: Newport, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Longton Ecclesiastical parish: Edensor County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address: 2 Wellington Sreet
Occupation:
Registration District: Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration District: Longton ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 103 Piece: 1944 Folio: 91 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age John Bennett 60 Sarah Bennett 61 xxxx Abraham Harvey 24 xxxx (Stepson)
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To note:- Sarah Harvey from 1871 census is also living Wellington Street and is noted as widow
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Catherine
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7 Jan 2014 13:10 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Sarah Harvey Name: Sarah Harvey Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1861 Registration District: Stoke upon Trent Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume Number: 6B Page Number: 199 Records on Page: Name xxxx John Bennett Martha Grocott xxxx Sarah Harvey David Talbot
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about John Bennett Name: John Bennett Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1869 Age at Death: 73 Registration District: Newcastle under Lyme Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 52
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Deaths Dec 1863 (>99%) Bennett John Stoke T. 6b 96
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Deaths Dec 1865 (>99%) Bennett John Stoke T. 6b 139
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Deaths Dec 1866 (>99%) BENNETT John 65 Stoke T. 6b 130
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PricklyHolly
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7 Jan 2014 13:42 |
A copy of the marriage cert is on Ancestry...
7th April 1861
John Bennett 60 Widower...Labourer...Father...Henry Bennett...Tailor Sarah Harvey 61 Widow.....Father....John Patrick...Labourer Witnesses: James Bennett and John Donkin
Residence on the 1871 census...........31 Wellington Court.
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Catherine
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7 Jan 2014 14:04 |
Also for ref:-
1851 shows 2 children with surname Simpson...........................
1851 England Census about Sarah Harvey Name: Sarah Harvey Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Charles Harvey Gender: F (Female) Where born: Newport, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Newport County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address:
Registration District: Newport Sub-registration District: Newport ED, institution, or vessel: 9a Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 39 Piece: 1998 Folio: 237 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Charles Harvey 60 Sarah Harvey 53 Thomas Harvey 18 Abraham Harvey 14 Emma Harvey 12 xxx Alfred Simpson 8 (grandson) xxx Sarah Simpson 7 (grandaughter)
....................so as there is a Thomas Simpson with Sarah on 1871 this could be an indication that 1871 is Sarah Bennett that has reverted back to her name of Harvey.
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PricklyHolly
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7 Jan 2014 14:05 |
Sarah Patrick England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 1 December 1797 Newport, Shropshire, England residence: Newport, Shropshire, England father: John Patrick mother: Leah Patrick
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PricklyHolly
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8 Jan 2014 08:55 |
1871 England Census about Abraham Harvey Name: Abraham Harvey Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Brother-in-law Gender: Male Where born: Newport, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Hanley Ecclesiastical parish: Northwood Holy Trinity Town: Hanley County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration District: Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration District: Hanley ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household Schedule Number: 248 Piece: 2859 Folio: 29 Page Number: 51 Household Members: Name Age Charles Ward 41 Leah Ward 47 John Ward 12 Ann Maria Ward 10 Charles Ward 8 Emily Ward 5 Mary Ward 2 Abraham Harvey 33 (Brother in Law)
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Charles Ward Name: Charles Ward Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1854 Registration District: Wellington Inferred County: Somerset Volume Number: 6a Page Number: 1473 Records on Page: Name Leah Harvey Charles Ward
1881 England Census about Abraham Harvey Name: Abraham Harvey Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relationship to Head: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Newport, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address: 156 High St Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Labourer General Registration District: Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration District: Hanley ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2719 Folio: 116 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Lowe 70 Eliza Lowe 60 Wm. Deaville 23 Abraham Harvey 45 George Renolds 66 1891 England Census about Abraham Harvey Name: Abraham Harvey Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Newport, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Stoke upon Trent Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration District: Longton ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2181 Folio: 97 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Samuel Harvey 65 Elizabeth Harvey 59 James Harvey 15 Abraham Harvey 53 Joseph Edwards 47 Mary Green 11 Arthur Green 9 Charles Green 2 England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Samuel Harvey Name: Samuel Harvey Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1852 Registration District: Stoke upon Trent Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume Number: 6b Page Number: 245 Records on Page: Name Elizabeth Edwards Samuel Harvey
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Samuel Harvey Name: Samuel Harvey Probate Date: 18 Feb 1903 Death Date: 14 Feb 1902 Death Place: Staffordshire, England Registry: Lichfield Of 130 Edensor-Road Longton Staffordshire.
To Elizabeth Harvey widow and John Harvey joiner.
Effects: £857 13s
1901 England Census about Samuel Harvey Name: Samuel Harvey Age: 75 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Elizabeth Harvey Birth Place: Newport, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Longton Town: Longton County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address:
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Education:
Employment status: View Image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Samuel Harvey 75 Elizabeth Harvey 67 Sarah Ellen Green 17 Charles Green 12 Res: 130 Edensor Road.
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MarysRoots
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8 Jan 2014 21:27 |
If Sarah married John Bennett why would she revert back to Harvey after his death ?? and if I had the death cert for Sarah Harvey would it say widow of Charles or John Bennett so that I know for sure I have the correct Sarah's daeth
Thank you all for your help and information
Mary
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patchem
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9 Jan 2014 07:14 |
Perhaps it was an unhappy marriage and she wanted to forget him?
Perhaps he died very soon after the marriage and she was just used to using Harvey?
The information on the death certificate depends on the knowledge that the informant has.....
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MarysRoots
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15 Jan 2014 20:23 |
Update for everyone who gave info
Received death cert today for Sarah Harvey This is the death PricklyHolly found for me which looked like my Sarah but sadly it is not England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Sarah Harvey Name: Sarah Harvey Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1877 Age at Death: 76 Registration District: Stoke upon Trent Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 150
still not sure if I should be looking for Harvey or Bennett still looking
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