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5 Jan 2014 07:59 |
I AM TRYING TO PUT A FAMILY TREE TOGETHER AND WOULD LOVE TO SPEAK TO ANYONE ELSE RESEARCHING MY FATHERS PARENTS OR MY FATHER.
MY DAD IS : THOMAS RICHARD HEAD 1889 AND HE WAS BORN IN DARTFORD ENGLAND. HIS FATHER WAS ALSO THOMAS RICHARD HEAD BORN IN 1865 IN DARTFORD ENGLAND. HIS MOTHER WAS MARY ANN CARROLL OR MARYANN PHILLIPS BORN IN 1861 IN ENGLAND.SHE DIED IN CANADA.
ON MARY ANN'S DEATH CERTIFICATE IT STATES HER FATHER AS BEING PHILLIPS BUT NO FIRST NAME AND MOTHER AS UNKNOWN. ON HER MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE IT STATES HER MAIDEN NAME AS BEING PHILLIPS. ON A COUPLE OF CENCUS IT STATES HER MAIDEN NAME AS BEING CARROLL.VERY CONFUSING .
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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5 Jan 2014 08:31 |
Maybe her mum remarried so she is listed on some census in the hubby's surname
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5 Jan 2014 08:33 |
There are a couple of members with your father in their tree. Click on Search (above) and search all member trees - that way you can try to contact the tree owners to see if they are willing to compare notes.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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5 Jan 2014 08:43 |
What census have you found her on ?
She seems to be phillips on the 1881 census
Name: Mary Phillips Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relationship to Head: Lodger Gender: Female Where born: Dartford, Kent, England Civil Parish: Dartford County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: 5 Sharps Cottages Heath St Education:
Employment status:
View Image Occupation: Rag Sorter At Paper Mill Registration District: Dartford Sub-registration District: Dartford ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 866 Folio: 15 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Robert Gardner 43 Emma Gardner 43 Mary Phillips 20
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 866; Folio: 15; Page: 24; GSU roll: 1341205.
Does she name a father on the marriage cert ?
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5 Jan 2014 09:13 |
On the death certificate it also gives the informant as Ada Sanderson - daughter
Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947
Name:Mary Head[Mary Phillips]
Death Date:26 Oct 1937
Death County or District:York
Death State:Ontario
Death Country:Canada
Age:76 <<DOB Jan 15th 1861
Gender:Female
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1861
Birth Location:England
Father:Phillips
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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5 Jan 2014 09:18 |
1901 census
Name: Mary Head Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Thomas Head Birth Place: Dartford, Kent, England Civil Parish: Dartford Town: Dartford County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View Image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Head 36 Mary Head 40 Thomas Head 12 Ada Head 8
So she is consistently born. c1861 Dartford
Not picking her up as Carroll on any census
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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5 Jan 2014 09:21 |
Is this her going to Canada ?
Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript
Print Close Name: Mrs Mary HEAD Date of departure: 10 October 1919 Port of departure: Avonmouth Destination port: Montreal Destination country: Canada Date of Birth: 1860 (calculated from age) Age: 59 Marital Status: Sex: Female Occupation: Notes: Passenger recorded on: Page 7 of 15 Ship: PRETORIAN Official Number: 113969 Master's name: J Hall Steamship Line: Canadian Pacific Railway Atlantic Steamship Line Where bound: Quebec, Canada Square feet: 5750 Registered tonnage: 4842.58 Passengers on voyage: 441
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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5 Jan 2014 09:30 |
This look like Ada ,s birth
Civil Registration event: Birth
Print Close Name: HEAD, Ada Mary Registration district: Greenwich County: London Year of registration: 1892 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 1D Page nos 1122
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5 Jan 2014 09:33 |
Is this the daughter that is mentioned on Mary's death cert
Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928
Name:Ada Mary Head
Father Name:Deceaded Mary Head
Mother Name:Phillips Head
Spouse Name:John Sanderson
Spouse's Age:30
Spouse Birth Year:abt 1877
Spouse Father Name:James Sanderson
Spouse Mother Name:Mary Davies
Marriage Date:16 Jul 1909
Marriage County or District:York
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5 Jan 2014 09:38 |
Travelling with Ada is Mary - which would tie in with the death cert and the 1921 census where Mary is with son Thomas:
Ada Head Gender: Female Age: 17 Birth Date: abt 1890 Departure Date: 5 Feb 1907 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination Port: Quebec, Canada Ship Name: Kensington Search Ship Database: Search the 'Kensington' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Master: W Roberts
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5 Jan 2014 09:39 |
Her arrival in Canada, but I can't see Mary on the list:
Ada Head Gender: Female Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893 Date of Arrival: 13 May 1907 Vessel: Kensington Search Ship Database: View the 'Kensington' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Roll: T-489
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5 Jan 2014 10:05 |
Is this your father with his mother?
1921 Census of Canada
Name:Thomas Head
Gender:Male
Marital Status:Widowed
Age:32
Birth Year:abt 1889
Birth Place:England
Relation to Head of House:Head
Father Birth Place:England
Mother's Name:Mary Head
Mother Birth Place:England
Year of Immigration:1907
Racial or Tribal Origin:English
Province or Territory:Ontario
District:Northumberland
District Number:107
Sub-District:Hamilton (Township)
Sub-District Number:23
City, Town or Village:Hamilton Township
Street or Township:Hamilton Tp
Municipality:Hamilton
Occupation:Laborer
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Thomas Head 32 Mary Head 62
On the above census he is listed as a widow but the marriage is after that date! Maybe he married before?
Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928
Name:Thomas Richard Head
Birth Place:England
Age:34
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1889
Father Name:Thos Head
Mother Name:Mary Carroll
Spouse Name:Beryl Biddle
Spouse's Age:23
Spouse Birth Year:abt 1900
Spouse Birth Place:England
Spouse Father Name:Frank Biddle
Spouse Mother Name:Evevgslin Swingter
Marriage Date:12 May 1923
Marriage County or District:Northumberland
Registration District:Northumberland
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5 Jan 2014 10:22 |
None of these dates add up..............here is Tho's wife, arriving after her marriage to him!
Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
Name:Beryl Biddle
Gender:Female
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1902
Birth Place:Wolverhampton, England
Age:22
Date of Arrival:Nov 1924
Port of Arrival:Quebec
Port of Departure:London, England
Ship Name:Melita Father: Frank Biddle
Hang on, this looks like her
UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name:Beryl Biddle
Gender:Female
Age:22
Birth Date:abt 1900
Departure Date:26 Oct 1922
Port of Departure:Southampton, England
Destination Port:Quebec, Canada
Ship Name:Melita
Search Ship Database:Search the 'Melita' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line:Canadian Pacific Railway
Official Number:136367
Master:Captain G Hamilton
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PricklyHolly
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5 Jan 2014 10:33 |
Welcome to the boards Thomas.
Household transcription 1911 census Person: BIDDLE, Beryl Evangeline Address: Headley Heath Kingsnorton
BIDDLE, Frank Head Married M 34 1877 Wood Working Machinist Warwickshire Bham BIDDLE, Evangeline Wife Married 11 years F 34 1877 Warwickshire Bham BIDDLE, Beryl Evangeline Daughter F 10 1901 School Staffs Wolverhampton BIDDLE, Frank Norbert Son M 8 1903 School Staffs Smethwick BIDDLE, Eileen Lois Daughter F 3 1908 Warwickshire Greet RG number: RG14 Piece: 17827 Reference: RG14PN17827 RG78PN1091 RD383 SD1 ED4 SN3 Registration District: Kings Norton Sub District: Kings Norton Enumeration District: 4 Parish: Kings Norton Address: Headley Heath Kingsnorton County: Worcestershire (3 children born and living)
Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 about Francis Biddle (Bachelor) Cabinet Maker Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1876 Marriage Date: 18 Sep 1899 Marriage Age: 23 Marriage Place: Deritend, St John The Baptist, Warwickshire, England Spouse: Evangeline Swingler (Spinster) Spouse Gender: Female Spouse Marriage Age: 23 Father: Joseph Frederick Biddle (Cabinet Maker) Spouse's Father: Elkanah Swingler (French Polisher) Witnesses: Frances Lancelot Admas and Alice Coomby. Reference Number: DRO 1 Archive Roll: 611
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patchem
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5 Jan 2014 10:49 |
Any information on a certificate depends on who is giving the information and what 'truth' they have been told or whether they want to lie.
So if something is unknown they might not know, they might not want to say, or they have been given incorrect information.
So a death certificate is highly suspect - some of my children would struggle with my parents' names or my place of birth.
A census filled in by a husband depends on him being told the correct information by his wife - so could be suspect,
etc etc.
Could you post those Carroll censuses?
Thanks
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PricklyHolly
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5 Jan 2014 11:16 |
Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription First Name: EVANGELINE Last Name: BIDDLE Title: - Age Transcribed: 47 Year: 1923 Departure Month: 7 Departure Day: 13 Ship name: MONTCALM Ship Departure Port: LIVERPOOL Destination Port: QUEBEC State: - Country: CANADA Destination: QUEBEC Destination Place Country: CANADA Gender: Female Marital Status: - Occupation: HOUSEWIFE Year Of Birth: 1876 Birth Month: - Birth Day: - Country Of Birth: - Last Residence Country: - UK Address: - Ship Official Number: 145903 Ship Master's First Name: - Ship Master's Surname: RENNIE Ship Master's Title: CAPT Shipping line: CANADIAN PACIFIC City: LIVERPOOL Ship Destination Port: MONTREAL Ship Destination Country: CANADA
With her is..
Frank Herbert (Obviously should be Norbert) Biddle...20 (Farming) Eileen Lois Biddle...16 (Domestic)
Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription First Name: FRANK Last Name: BIDDLE Title: - Age Transcribed: 46 Year: 1923 Departure Month: 3 Departure Day: 23 Ship name: MONTCALM Ship Departure Port: LIVERPOOL Destination Port: SAINT JOHN NB State: - Country: CANADA Destination: SAINT JOHN NB Destination Place Country: CANADA Gender: Male Marital Status: - Occupation: GARDENER Year Of Birth: 1877 Birth Month: - Birth Day: - Country Of Birth: - Last Residence Country: - UK Address: - Ship Official Number: - Ship Master's First Name: - Ship Master's Surname: RENNIE Ship Master's Title: CAPT Shipping line: CANADIAN PACIFIC City: LIVERPOOL Ship Destination Port: SAINT JOHN NB Ship Destination Country: CANADA
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5 Jan 2014 13:01 |
I wonder if this is just a coincidence: 1881 England Census Name:Mary Ann Phillips Age:17 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1864 Relationship to Head:Sister Dartford, Kent, England Civil Parish:Woolwich County/Island:London Country:England Street Address:1 Albert Street Occupation:Dress Maker
Maria W. Piddle 24 - it is Biddle on the image Sidney T. K. Piddle Mary Ann Phillips 17
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patchem
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5 Jan 2014 13:04 |
Do you know where and when Thomas Richard Head, 1865, died, and is this Thomas 1889 after war service?
Thomas R Head Date of Arrival: 31 Mar 1919 Vessel: Empress of Britain Search Ship Database: View the 'Empress of Britain' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Port of Arrival: St.John, New Brunswick Port of Departure: Halifax, Nova Scotia Roll: T-14837
rank: Private, Dependant: Mother
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patchem
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5 Jan 2014 13:08 |
Looks to be born in Greenwich and answers No to whether he is married
Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918 about Thomas Richard Head Name: Thomas Richard Head Birth Date: 1 Jan 1888 Birth Location: Erunwich Kint, England Relative: Mrs Thomas Head Regiment Number: 27669
Got birth year wrong?? He joined in 1914, he had already had experience in the RAMC and the RHA, his profession was shipper, and his address was 90 Russell House, Yonge Street, Toronto (or similar)
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ChristinaS
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6 Jan 2014 08:13 |
Have you already traced back on your father's paternal side?
1891 census - Blackwall Lane - Greenwich Thomas Head - head - 26 - general labourer - Dartford Mary Head - wife - 30 - Dartford Thomas R. Head - son - 2 - Dartford
1871 census - South Street, Dartford Richard Head - head - 35 - labourer in brickfield - Swanley Mary Ann Head - wife - 33 - Crockenhill Richard Head - son - 11 - scholar - Dartford Doreas Head - dau - 10 - scholar - Dartford Thomas Head - son - 5 - Dartford Ada Head - dau - 1 - Dartford John Head - son - 3 mons - Dartford
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