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We have hit a brick wall in our research.
This being due to the fact that the Premnay Kirk SEssion Records seem to have been lost....i.e. Premnay Aberdeenshire.
We were researching a Jean Moir b. 09/03/1815 Premnay who had a child out of wedlock 1838....James Moir Fordyce.
Information regarding this would have been recorded in the Premnay Parish Records.
Anyone come across them in their searches.?
Best Wishes to all....
Ian.

Who told you they were 'lost'?

If it was the Records Office, the assumption must be that they do not exist.

Have you tried Aberdeen & North East Scotland FHS?
http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/
It's not a helpful website, but you could contact them.

There's also a discussion on the subject here (in 2006):
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ABERDEEN/2006-06/1151048181:
That seems to indicate that, at least in 2006, ANESFHS had unpublished MI records for Premnay. Maybe they have other info too.


On the other hand, if the records have indeed been lost, then I'm afraid you'll just have to accept it, frustrating though it is.

How do you know James was Jean's son?
I don't see his birth/baptism on ScotlandsPeople, neither in Premnay nor Kennethmont, neither as Moir (or variant) nor as Fordyce (or variant), 1835-41 - at least not with mother Jean Moir (or variant).

Assuming it's the same person, living with Jean's parents, in 1841 his surname is Moir, and in 1851 and later censuses it's Fordyce:


1841 Scotland Census about James Moir
Name: James Moir
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Premnay
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Hill Head
Parish Number: 234
Household Members:
Name Age
Adam Moir 60
Dorothea Moir 50
Ann Moir 30
Barbara Moir 11
James Moir 3


1841 Scotland Census about James Moir
Name: James Moir
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Premnay
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Hill Head
Parish Number: 234
Household Members:
Name Age
Adam Moir 60
Dorothea Moir 50
Ann Moir 30
Barbara Moir 11
James Moir 3

Name: Jean Moir
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 09 Mar 1815
Christening Place: PREMNAY,ABERDEEN,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: Adam Moir
Mother's Name: Dorothy Mellis
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11234-4
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 993356

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Name: Alexander Cruikshank
Spouse's Name: Jean Moir
Event Date: 20 Jun 1839
Event Place: Premnay,Aberdeen,Scotland
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11234-5
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 993356

In 1839 a Jean Moir married in Premnay - is this her?
You say you're researching Jean, Ian - what info do you want about her? Is it just the birth of James you want to know about?

20/06/1839 MOIR JEAN ALEXANDER CRUIKSHANK/ F PREMNAY /ABERDEEN 234/00 0030 0126

1841 Scotland Census about Jean Cruickshank
Name: Jean Cruickshank
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Aberdeenshire, Scotland

Civil Parish: Inverurie
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Constitution Street
Parish Number: 204
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexr Crickshank 25
Jean Moir 25
Jean Cruickshank 25
Adam Cruickshank 2 Mo

1851 Scotland Census about Adam Cruickshank
Name: Adam Cruickshank
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Alexander Cruickshank
Mother's Name: Jano Cruickshank
Gender: Male
Where born: Inverury, aberdeensh
Parish Number: 264
Civil Parish: Maryculter
County: Kincardineshire
Address: Cockley
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Page: 3 (click to see others on page)
Household Schedule Number: 10
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1851_56
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Cruickshank 37
Jano Cruickshank 35
Adam Cruickshank 9
Margaret Cruickshank 7
Dorothy Cruickshank 5
Jane Cruickshank 2
Cruickshank 1 Mo
George Moie 32

1861 Scotland Census about Alex Cruickshank
Name: Alex Cruickshank
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Cruickshank
Gender: Male
Where born: Drumblade, Aberdeenshire
Registration number: 202
Registration District: Huntly
Civil Parish: Huntly
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Causewayend
Occupation: Labourer And Pauper
ED: 7
Household Schedule Number: 9
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1861_29
Household Members:
Name Age
Alex Cruickshank 47
Jane Cruickshank 46
Margt Cruickshank 57
Jane Cruickshank 12
Alexr Cruickshank 10
Sarah Cruickshank 9
William Cruickshank 6
Ann Cruickshank 4

1871 Scotland Census about Jane Cruikshank
Name: Jane Cruikshank
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Alexander Cruikshank
Gender: Female
Where born: Premnay, Aberdeenshire
Registration number: 202
Registration District: Huntly
Civil Parish: Huntly
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Causewayend
ED: 7
Household Schedule Number: 7
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1871_38
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Cruikshank 57
Jane Cruikshank 56
Alexander Cruickshank 20
Jane C Pirie 6

1881 Scotland Census about Jane Cruickshank
Name: Jane Cruickshank
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Premnay, Aberdeenshire
Registration number: 202
Registration District: Huntly
Civil Parish: Huntly
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 18 Old Road
Occupation: Ag. Labs Widow
ED: 8
Household Schedule Number: 81
Line: 1
Roll: cssct1881_60
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Cruickshank 66
Dorethy Cruickshank 36
Alexander Cruickshank 11
Jane Cruickshank 3 Mo

1901 Scotland Census about Jane Cruikshank
Name: Jane Cruikshank
Age: 86
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Premnay, Aberdeenshire
Registration number: 202
Registration District: Huntly
Civil Parish: Huntly
Town: Huntly
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Richmond Road 45 Princes Street
ED: 4
Household Schedule Number: 159
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1901_68
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Cruikshank 86

Death:
1905 CRUICKSHANK JAME MOIR F 90 HUNTLY /ABERDEEN 202/00 0035

1861 Scotland Census about James Fordyce
Name: James Fordyce
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Kinnethmont, Aberdeenshire
Registration number: 212
Registration District: Kinnethmont
Civil Parish: Kinnethmont
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Farm Woodside
Occupation: Ploughman
ED: 2
Household Schedule Number: 17
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1861_29
Household Members:
Name Age
John Cooper 48
Isabella Cooper 41
Peter Cooper 11
James Cooper 9
John Cooper 7
William Cooper 4
Ann George 28
James Fordyce 22

1871 Scotland Census about James Fordyce
Name: James Fordyce
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Kinnethmont, Aberdeenshire
Registration number: 199
Registration District: Glass
Civil Parish: Glass
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Milton Of Apuanly
Occupation: Farm Overseer
ED: 3
Household Schedule Number: 19
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1871_38
Household Members:
Name Age
James Fordyce 32
William Mark 63
Elizabeth Cruickshank 57

James's death:

1918 FORDYCE JAMES MOIR M 80 HUNTLY /ABERDEEN 202/00 0052

Aha! I see! His parents were Jane Moir and George Fordyce, both deceased.

The Premnay OPRs exist for yourt time period - see:
http://www.scotlandspeoplehub.gov.uk/pdf/list-of-oprs-168to249.pdf

More generally, for places outside of Aberdeenshire - see:
http://www.scotlandspeoplehub.gov.uk/research/list-of-oprs.html

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Thanks Ann...

Really wanted the Premnay Kirk Session Records so that father of James Moir Fordyce could be verified....His mother was definately Jean Moir who later married Alexander Cruikshank..
Suspect father was a George Fordyce...but Kirk session records would possibly verify this.....It's the usual story...records before 1855 are difficult to obtain as they were recorded in Parish Records.

Bestest,
Ian