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martin
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13 Dec 2013 23:58 |
This is my first post so i hope this goes all right....my ancestors mentioned would have likely been born in the 1830's or 1840's and married in Merthyr possibly the 1850's or 1860's. Their childrens names were Brown,Roland, Ivor, Nanna and Gertrude who is my great grandmother. Thomas Heppell is from Northumberland and Margaret Williams is connected to the Old Wool Factory in Merthyr or Heolgerrig and i believe is the daughter of Morgan Williams the Chartist born in 1808. Any help would be appreciated thanks, Martin.
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MargaretM
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14 Dec 2013 00:03 |
Don't you use FreeBMD?
Marriages Jun 1861 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HEPPELL Thomas B Merthyr T 11a 441 Williams Margaret Elizth Merthyr T 11a 441
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safc
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14 Dec 2013 00:03 |
????
Marriages Jun 1861 (>99%) HEPPELL Thomas B Merthyr T 11a 441 Williams Margaret Elizth Merthyr T 11a 441
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safc
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14 Dec 2013 00:05 |
Name: Thomas B Heppell Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 2 Apr 1861 Event Place: , Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales Gender: Male Age: 24y Marital Status: Single Father's Name: George Heppell Spouse's Name: Margaret Elizabeth Williams Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Father's Name: Morgan Williams Digital Folder Number: 004189960 Image Number: 00002
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MargaretM
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14 Dec 2013 00:14 |
Margaret is a widow in 1901:
1901 Wales Census about Margt Heppell Name: Margt Heppell Age in 1901: 64 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Merthyr Civil Parish: Merthyr Tydfil Ecclesiastical parish: Merthyr Town: Gellideg County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration District: Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 88 Piece: 5023 Folio: 94 Page Number: 17 Household Members: Name Age Margt Heppell 64 Thomas Heppell 32 Evan Heppell 30 Rowland A Heppell 25
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GlitterBaby
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14 Dec 2013 00:15 |
So is he Thomas Brown heppell ?
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MargaretM
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14 Dec 2013 00:16 |
1881 Wales Census about Margaret Elizth Heppell Name: Margaret Elizth Heppell Age: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Thomas Brown Heppell Gender: Female Where born: Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish: Merthyr Tydfil County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street Address: Penrheol House Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration District: Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5309 Folio: 106 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Brown Heppell 44 Margaret Elizth Heppell 44 Gertrude Margaret Heppell 17 Beatrice Mary Heppell 15 Tom Morgan Heppell 13 Annie Williams Heppell 11 George Brown Heppell 9 Rowland Anthony Heppell 6 Ivor Witham Heppell 4
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GlitterBaby
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14 Dec 2013 00:17 |
Listed on 1861
Class: RG9; Piece: 4055; Folio: 105; Page: 17; GSU roll: 543227
Thomas b 1837 Reyton, Durham Margaret b 1837 Merthyr, Glamorgan
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GlitterBaby
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14 Dec 2013 00:19 |
Name: Thomas Brown Heppell Probate Date: 3 Feb 1904 Death Date: 29 Oct 1898 Death Place: Merthyr Tydfil, Wales Registry: Llandaff
Penrhoel Cottage, Penrheolgerrig, Merthyr Tydfil, mining engineer. Administration (with Will) to Tom Morgan Heppell, farmer Effects £208
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MarieCeleste
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14 Dec 2013 00:54 |
Hello Martin, welcome to the boards.
Re: the 1861 marriage posted above - it lists both Thomas Brown Heppell and his father George as agents. Margaret's father Morgan is listed as a registrar.
As you've just joined the site this month you may not be aware of FreeBMD - Margee posted the link above. It's one of the first ports of call when trying to find records, although many of us on here have subs to other sites which we're happy to use to try to find more detailed records if available.
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MarieCeleste
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14 Dec 2013 01:00 |
Thomas Brown Heppell's death notice (from the newspaper archives):
Publication:Western Mail Publication date:Tuesday 01 November 1898
HEPPELL. On October 29, at Penyrheol Farm, Thomas Brown Heppell, Civil Engineer, aged 62. Funeral Wednesday Two o'clock (gentlemen only).
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MarieCeleste
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14 Dec 2013 01:10 |
Your great gran's marriage, in case you don't have the detail:
Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record
Groom's Forenames: Richard Groom's Surname: Thomas Groom's Age: 27 Marriage Year: 1891 Marriage Month: Jun Marriage Day: 16 Event Type: Marriage Page: 101 Place / Parish: Cyfarthfa County: Glamorganshire Bride's Forenames: Gertrude Margaret Bride's surname: Heppell Bride's Age: 20 Groom's Father's Forenames: William Fender Groom's Father's Surname: Thomas Bride's Father's Forenames: Thomas Brown Bride's Father's Surname: Heppell Record source: Glamorgan marriages transcripts Data provider: Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru
Richard Thomas was a licensed victualler of 152 Lower High Street, Merthyr Tydfil. His father listed as a manager.
Gertrude's address Penyrheolgerig. Father Thomas Brown Heppell a manager.
Witnesses: Thomas Heppell and Anne Williams Heppell.
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ErikaH
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14 Dec 2013 09:33 |
Martin
Are you aware of.....................
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
https://familysearch.org/
http://www.freereg.org.uk/
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Cynthia
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14 Dec 2013 13:11 |
Hello Martin and welcome to the Community boards. :-)
I will let Martin know that he has replies to his query. :-)
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PricklyHolly
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14 Dec 2013 14:19 |
Welcome to the boards Martin.
..1851 Wales Census about Thomas Heppell Name: Thomas Heppell Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Son Father's Name: George Heppell Mother's Name: Isabella Heppell Gender: Male Where born: Greenside, Durham, England Civil Parish or Township: Merthyr Tydfil Ecclesiastical parish: Heolwermod County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration District: Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Piece: 2458 Folio: 620 Page Number: 31 Household Schedule Number: 104 Household Members: Name Age George Heppell 47 (Coal Agent) Isabella Heppell 47 Richard Heppell 24 Mary Heppell 23 Anne Heppell 21 George Heppell 16 Thomas Heppell 14 Isabella Heppell 10 William Heppell 9 Elizabeth Heppell 6 Margaretta Heppell 2
1861 Wales Census about Isabella Heppell Name: Isabella Heppell Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England Civil Parish or Township: Merthyr Tydfil Town: Merthyr County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street Address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration District: Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Household Schedule Number: 217 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4054 Folio: 23 Page Number: 39 Household Members: Name Age Isabella Heppell 57 (Widow) Retired Mary Heppell 33 Amy Heppell 31 George Heppell 26 Isabella Heppell 20 William Heppell 18 Elizabeth Heppell 16 Margaretta Heppell 12 Elizabeth Jones 12 England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about George Heppell Name: George Heppell Probate Date: 20 Jun 1860 Death Date: 17 May 1860 Death Place: Glamorgan, Wales Registry: Principal Registry
Late of Plymouth Iron Works in the Parish of Merthyr Tydfil in the County of Glamorgan...Coal and Mineral Agent.
Isabella Heppell aforesaid widow the relict and sole executrix.
Effects: Under £1,500
You can check out the children's baptism's on this free site..
https://familysearch.org/
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martin
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14 Dec 2013 22:31 |
Wow!! Thank you all for your great input i'm blown away by it all and very thankful for your help. In the New Year i'll be retiring so i'll be getting a computer and will be able to keep up with you, somewhat. My computer skills are rough and rusty at that ... so please don't think i'm being rude if it comes across that way! Again i thank so much for all you've given me on my family, it will take a while to digest it all. By the way Merry Christmas to you all and take care,
Martin
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PricklyHolly
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14 Dec 2013 23:20 |
Merry Christmas to you too Martin.
Look forward to hearing from you in the New Year.
Prickles. :-)
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Eringobragh1916
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15 Dec 2013 00:02 |
? Someone also connected......Posted May 2013
http://oldmerthyr1.proboards.com/thread/375?page=1
I have fairly well documented most of my family in Merthyr - but am struggling with some Irish ancestors who came to Merthyr. I have John Dwyer and Ellen Doyle in the 1851 census - but they married in Merthyr. They did not arrive together. I think I may have John Dwyer at a lodging house in in Merthyr in the 1841 census. John was born abt 1821 and his wife about 1826 - both in Ireland. The son of John - Michael Dwyer - was an iron pudler like his father. Later years he was a corporation foreman. Michael was born 1855 - and married Mary Heppell a daughter of mining Engineer Richard Heppell. Her Grandfather was George Heppell. The Heppells came from Northumberland to work for Anthony Hill. ****Thomas Heppell married Margaret Williams - daughter of Morgan Williams the Chartist.**** Michael later married Margaret Glavin.
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mgnv
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15 Dec 2013 09:24 |
Go to: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND browse down the following path for image: England, Durham Diocese B...ranscripts, ca. 1700-1900 > Durham > Ryton > 1828-1867 > Image 214 of 538
Baptisma solemnized in the Parish of Ryton in the County of Durham in the Year 1837 No 809, Jan'y 15; Thomas; George & Isabella; Heppell; Greenside; Overman; RGL Blenkinsopp Curate [Greenside is a village 3km SSE of Ryton]
1841 England Census Transcription Street:BIRKENSIDE Parish:SHOTLEY County:Northumberland Country:ENGLAND Registration District:HEXHAM UNION Town:SHOTLEY LOW QUARTER Record set:1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:842 Book:3 Folio:21 Page:9 Archive Reference:HO107 Piece Number:842 Book:3 Folio:22 Page:10
P9 GEORGE HEPPELL 1796 45 Farmer ISABELLA HEPPELL 1806 35 JOHN HEPPELL 1830 11 ANN HEPPELL 1832 9 DOROTHY HEPPELL 1834 7 ISABELLA HEPPELL 1836 5 MARY HEPPELL 1838 3 BARBARA HEPPELL 1841 0[6m] ROBERT FORSTER 1821 20 Ag Lab GEORGE BROWN 1826 15 Ag Lab P10 ANN TURNBULL 1821 20 F.S. ANN CRAW[CRANE] 1821 20 F.S. MARY CRAW[CRANE] 1821 20 F.S. EVE DODD 1821 20 F.S. [The last 3 were not born in Northumberland - the rest were] [NB In 1841, adult (15+) ages were supposed to be rounded down to a mult of 5]
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mgnv
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18 Dec 2013 03:05 |
1861 Census Piece: RG9/3856 Place: Bywell -Northumberland Enumeration District: 10 Civil Parish: Shotley Low Qtr Ecclesiastical Parish: - Folio: 107 Page: 9 Schedule: 42 Address: Birkenside -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks HEPPELL George Head M M 66 Farmer 500 Ac Emp 4 Men,1 Boy Northumberland - Cronkley Bywell HEPPELL Bill Wife M F 54 Farmers Wife Northumberland - Whittonstall Highfie HEPPELL John Son U M 30 Farmers Son Northumberland - Birkenside HEPPELL Ann Dau U F 28 Farmers Daughter Northumberland - Birkenside HEPPELL Dorothy Dau U F 26 Farmers Daughter Northumberland - Birkenside HEPPELL Mary Dau U F 21 Farmers Daughter Northumberland - Birkenside HEPPELL Barbary Dau U F 20 Farmers Daughter Northumberland - Birkenside HEPPELL George Son U M 17 Farmers Son Northumberland - Birkenside HEPPELL Elizabeth Dau U F 15 Farmers Daughter Northumberland - Birkenside FORSTER Ellen Servnt U F 19 General Servant Co. Durham - Barlow Winlaton HERDMAN John Servnt U M 13 General Servant Northumberland - Shotley [As Ancestry says, the image does show the wife is Bell Heppell, but the best FMP(/GR) can do is ...(i.e., undoable) Happold]
EDIT I forgot to add: http://www.geograph.org.uk/browse.php?gridref=NZ0352
To locate on a map at, say http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ or http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html search for the OS coordinates 403500,552300
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