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Alan
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10 Dec 2013 11:39 |
I am looking for the marriage of Mary Burke and John Lyburn. I know that they were married in the Sept qtr 1855 in Congleton. I am particularly interested in the father's name of Mary in the record but of course any info on John would also be welcomed.
Many Thanks Alan
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alviegal
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10 Dec 2013 11:44 |
Possible birth for John?
father: Wiliam Leyburn mother: Elizabeth Leyburn Name John Leyburn Event Type Christening Event Date 20 Apr 1831 Event Place Congleton, Cheshire, England Gender Male Age Marital Status Father's Name Wiliam Leyburn Mother's Name Elizabeth Leyburn Spouse's Name Spouse's Marital Status Spouse's Father's Name Spouse's Mother's Name GS Film number 1655361 Digital Folder Number 004011829
or another spelling of the name.
christening: 20 April 1831 Eaton father: William Libourn mother: Elizabeth Libourn Name John Libourn Event Type Other Event Date Event Place Gender Male Age (Formatted) Marital Status Father's Name William Libourn Mother's Name Elizabeth Libourn Spouse's Name Spouse's Marital Status Spouse's Father's Name Spouse's Mother's Name GS Film number 1941870 Digital Folder Number 004018695
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1851 census transcription details for: Moreton, Moreton Cum Alcumlow Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 2167 Folio: 556 Page: 42 Reg. District: Congleton Sub District: Congleton Parish: Moreton cum Alcumlow Enum. District: 7 & 8 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Moreton, Moreton Cum Alcumlow County: Cheshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born HEATH, Daniel Head Married M 51 1800 Farmer Smallwood, Cheshire HEATH, Hannah Wife Married F 50 1801 Caton, Cheshire HEATH, Francis Son Unmarried M 25 1826 Empd On The Farm Caton, Cheshire HEATH, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 22 1829 Farmers Daughter Buglawton, Cheshire HEATH, Sarah Ellen Daughter F 11 1840 Scholar Eaton, Cheshire HEATH, Eliza Daughter F 8 1843 Scholar Eaton, Cheshire LIBURN, Elizabeth Niece Unmarried F 5 1846 Scholar Congleton, Cheshire >>LIBURN, John Nephew Unmarried M 20 1831 Farm Labourer Congleton, Cheshire
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MargaretM
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10 Dec 2013 11:45 |
Have you found them on any census either before or after marriage?
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Alan
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10 Dec 2013 11:52 |
Hi alviegal. Thanks. I will keep that in mind.
Margee, I haven't located them in any census records. Really I am going by instinct here as a Mary Le Burne married a John Perriam and if it's the same Mary then her surname is Tenucci [or one of several variations]
I hate digging the dark but as U know, sometimes that's the best place to dig lol. :-D
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MargaretM
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10 Dec 2013 11:59 |
Suggest you buy the marriage certificate to get father's name just to make sure that you have the right family.
Marriages Sep 1855 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BURKE Mary Congleton 8a 339 LYBURN John Congleton 8a 339
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Potty
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10 Dec 2013 12:16 |
Could this be John's death? When did the Le Burne/Perriman marriage take place?
Deaths Mar 1864 (>99%) LYBURN John Nantwich 8a 241
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MargaretM
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10 Dec 2013 12:17 |
You're talking about this marriage?
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about John Perriam Name: John Perriam Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Age: 53 Spouse Name: Maria Le Brune Spouse Age: 39 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 10 Jun 1872 Parish: Tooting Graveney Borough: Wandsworth Father Name: Joseph Perriam Spouse Father: Joseph Tennuchi Register Type: Parish Register
Why do you think that Maria Le Brune is Mary Lyburn?
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MargaretM
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10 Dec 2013 12:25 |
Possible? Maria Timmuchi married Thomas Burke 1849, Isle of Wight.
1849 BURKE Thomas TIMMUCHI Maria St Thomas's Catholic Chapel, Newport
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alviegal
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10 Dec 2013 12:46 |
I wonder if this is her? Her brother Paul goes on to be a sculpter.
1841 England Census about Mary Finnis Name: Mary Finnis [Mary Tinnis] Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Gender: Female Where born: Foreign Parts Civil Parish: Chatham Hundred: Chatham and Gillingham County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View Image Registration District: Medway Sub-registration District: Gillingham Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 487 Book: 4 Folio: 20 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age George Gingell 46 Mary Gingell 36 Frederick Gingell 20 William Smith 18 Joseph Finnis 39 Where born: Foreign Parts, Italy Jesse Finnis 28 Where born: Foreign Parts >>Mary Finnis 9 Paul Finnis 5 Mathew Finnis 3 John Marks 40 Mary Ann Brett 17 Eliza Archer 22 John Mansfield 25 Jane Mansfield 6 Louisa Mansfield 3 Elizabeth Mansfield 36 Florence McCarty 30 Mary McCarty 20 John Marks 30
This are corrections that have been added.
Italy Foreign Parts rather than Foreign Parts Personal family knowledge. Joseph is my GGGrandfather. Submitted by tennuchi on 06/02/2012 Surname TINNIS rather than Finnis TRANSCRIPTION ERROR Submitted by gershonite on 29/05/2006
1861 England Census about Janet Tunnachia Name: Janet Tunnachia Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Scotland Civil Parish: Westminster St James Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration District: St James Westminster Sub-registration District: Berwick Street ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 474 Piece: 61 Folio: 81 Page Number: 70 Household Members: Name Age Janet Tunnachia 50 Auglangia Tunnachia 19 Where born: Dover, Kent, England Matthew Tunnachia 20 Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England Barthomely Tunnachia 14 Where born: Isle of Wight Maria Louisa Tunnachia 9 Where born: France May Carmichael 38 Joseph Riva 49 brother
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Jessie Tinuchi Name: Jessie Tinuchi Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1879 Age at Death: 69 Registration District: Westminster Inferred County: London Volume: 1a Page: 345
1861 England Census about Paul Temmer Name: Paul Temmer [Paul Tennuci] [Paul Tennuci OR Tinnis] [Paul Tinnuci] Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Hannah Temmer Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil Parish: Westminster St Anne Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration District: Strand Sub-registration District: St Anne Soho ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 253 Piece: 175 Folio: 23 Page Number: 39 Household Members: Name Age Paul Temmer 25 sculptor Hannah Temmer 25 Augusta Temmer 5 Joseph Temmer 3 Paul Temmer 1
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alviegal
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10 Dec 2013 12:56 |
There is this Thomas and Mary Burke in 1851??
1851 census transcription details for: Cosham Street, Newport Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1663 Folio: 16 Page: 25 Reg. District: Isle of Wight Sub District: Newport Parish: Newport Enum. District: 1A Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Newport Address: Cosham Street, Newport County: Hampshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born HOLLYWOOD, John Head Married M 50 1801 Inn Keeper Ireland Newery HOLLYWOOD, Ann Wife Married F 44 1807 Ireland Limerick COFFEY, Edward Son-In-Law Unmarried M 15 1836 Plasterer Tramp Birmingham, Warwickshire HART, James Lodger Unmarried M 17 1834 Hawker Tramp Cork Ireland WATTS, Charles Lodger Unmarried M 23 1828 Blacksmith Tramp Dorsetshire >>BURKE, Thomas Lodger Married M 50 1801 Hawker Ireland Sligo >>BURKE, Mary Lodger Married F 46 1805 Hawker Ireland Sligo NENK, John Lodger Unmarried M 22 1829 St Musician Germany ROSE, Christianna Lodger Unmarried M 24 1827 St Musician Germany
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alviegal
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10 Dec 2013 13:21 |
According to a tree on ancestry, Mary's brother Charles (1844-1922) had this son. Note the middle name.
John Perrian Tennuci Birth 1879 in Marylebone, Middlesex Death 1879 in Marylebone, Middlesex
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MargaretM
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10 Dec 2013 13:28 |
I still think you need that John Lyburn/Mary Burke certificate to see if indeed her maiden name was Tenucci or something like that.
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greyghost
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10 Dec 2013 13:29 |
?Related thread where the Burke/Tenucci names figure
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1319590
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Potty
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10 Dec 2013 13:36 |
The 1861 census alviegal posted could be the correct family:
Auglangia Tunnachia 19 Where born: Dover, Kent, England
Angelina Tennuchi was a witness to the 1872 marriage.
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MargaretM
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10 Dec 2013 14:36 |
Oh dear, Alan, there's loads of information on your previous thread and we have repeated a lot of it.
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Alan
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10 Dec 2013 20:19 |
Many thanks to ALL for the replies. Yes Margee there is a lot of info. One "problem" is that I do have all of it as I have been researching the family since 1969. As to Stuart's comment which is a valid comment also possibly related to this one but a different husband which is possible, since people do marry more than once.
I am possibly clutching at straws but "accents" and lack of being able to spell/read there is a small possibility that it is possibly the same husband.
My main reasons for the query is as follows:
Maria L Tennes married Thomas Burke in 1849 Mary Le Brune married John Perriam in 1872. Her father's name is Tennuci.
Between marrying Burke and Perrriam I am assuming that she married someone named Le Brune. The nearest marriage I could locate is that of Mary Burke and John Lyburn.
Thank you all for the suggestions. Alan
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MargaretM
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11 Dec 2013 10:47 |
Is it possible that Le Brune is just a mis-spelling/mispronunciation of Lyburn?
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Potty
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11 Dec 2013 12:15 |
As Margee has said, you need the marriage cert - only way to confirm one way or another.
This is from Cheshire BMD site, and gives place of marriage. Usually the BMD sites give any previous names for women who have been married before:
LYBURN John BURK Mary Astbury, St Mary Cheshire East 1007/5/44
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MargaretM
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11 Dec 2013 13:03 |
I'm just amazed that you haven't bought that marriage certificate, Alan, especially since you say that you've been researching the family since 1969. Surely it would give you the answers you need?
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Alan
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11 Dec 2013 15:53 |
Normally I would have bought the cert but the problem with the family is that surprises like this one keep popping up. I didn't know of this marriage of Mary an John Perriam until I discovered it by accident. methinks I will get it.
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