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Any information on M.D.Williams, a merchant seaman, married Dorothy Mawhood in South Shields in 1918. Born c1895, died at sea.I have a photo of a ships company taken in Belfast, not dated, the company is all white and Moses was supposed to be my father's father but my father was born in 1916 in Grimsby, he also is on the birth certificate of a girl born in 1921.

Moses Decker Williams, "United Kingdom, Merchant Navy Seamen Records, 1835-1941"
Name: Moses Decker Williams
Event Type: Military Service
Event Year Range: 1918-1921
Event Place: United Kingdom
Birthplace: West Africa
Birth Year: 1889
GS Film number:
Digital Folder Number:

You could order his death certificate in the same way as a normal death certificate:

Overseas registration event: Death

Name: WILLIAMS, Moses D
Vessel: Trewidden
Country: At sea
Year: 1924
Page: 3
Age at death: 35
Record source: GRO Marine Death Indices (1903 to 1965)

I think there's an error on the date with this, will be back after checking the image:

Registration event: death

Name: WILLIAMS, M D
Date of death: January 1927
Age:
Place of death:
Place of birth:
Belonging to service:
Ship's name: Trewidden
Series: BT334 - Registers and Indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths of Passengers and Seamen at Sea
Box: 0083
Page:

EDIT: It is January 1924, there's no additional info, just a list of ships and names of deceased.

Given that his Merchant Seaman card says he was born Sierra Leone, I wonder if this is him?

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Moses Williams
Gender: Male
Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1893
Departure Date: 18 Jun 1919
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Sierra Leone
Ship Name: Batanga
Shipping Line: British and African Steam Navigation Company, Limited
Official Number: 102639
Master: A W Search

There are no details (occupations, etc) for the passengers - just a note "Repatriated Natives"

This may have been his arrival:

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: Moses Williams
Port of Departure: Africa
Arrival Date: 24 Apr 1910
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Calabar [Lagos] [Accra]
Ship Name: Tarquah
Shipping Line: Elder Dempster Lines Ltd
Official Number: 115293

He's a ships fireman which matches the merchant records. Port of embarkation looks like Forcados. He's listed in the column for British Colonials.

Moses Decker Williams, "United Kingdom, Merchant Navy Seamen Records, 1835-1941"
Name: Moses Decker Williams
Event Type: Military Service
Event Year Range: 1918-1921
Event Place: United Kingdom
Birthplace: West Africa
Birth Year: 1889
GS Film number:
Digital Folder Number

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First name(s): Moses

Last name: WILLIAMS

Number: RME/7426/S

Rank: Private

Awards:

Service branch: Royal Marine Engineers

Medals & clasps earned:

How issued or disposed of:

Service branch: Royal Marine Engineers

Unit:

Date of death: not known

Cause of death:

Remarks:

Notes: NOT LISTED ON ROLL.

The author has added extra information to many of the fields in the transcripts of the records. This means that, unusually, you are likely to find more detail on the record than the original imag

Moses Williams, "England and Wales Census, 1911"
Name: Moses Williams
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Birthplace: West Africa Visitor
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Toxteth Park
Sub-District: Toxteth Park North West
Parish: Toxteth Park
County: Lancashire

Here is that 1911 in full. Most of them are 'West Africa Visitor.'

All the seamen worked for Elder Dempster & Co shipping line and were from British West Africa.



1911 census transcription details for: 78 Stanhope Liverpool
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN22216 RG78PN1314 RD454 SD1 ED5 SN27
Reg. District: Toxteth Park
Sub District: Toxteth Park North West
Parish: Toxteth Park
Enum. District: 5
Address: 78 Stanhope Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

JENKINS, Jeremiah Thomas Head Married M 28 1883 Lodging House Keeper W Africa Resident
JENKINS, Ada Elizabeth Wife Married
6 years F 28 1883 Lancashire Liverpool
JENKINS, Ada Elizabeth Adopted Daughter F 1 1910 Lancashire Liverpool
KENNY, Joseph Boarder Married M 41 1870 Seaman West Africa Visitor
NICOL, David Boarder Single M 27 1884 Seaman West Africa Visitor
LEWIS, Samuel Boarder Single M 29 1882 Seaman West Africa Visitor
CAMPBELL, James Boarder Single M 24 1887 Seaman West Africa Visitor
HEYWOOD, Monie Boarder Single M 25 1886 Seaman West Africa Visitor
NEWMAN, Richard Boarder Single M 27 1884 Seaman West Africa Visitor
WILLIAMS, Moses Boarder Single M 22 1889 Seaman West Africa Visitor
SCOTLAND, Baysey Boarder Single M 23 1888 Seaman West Africa Visitor
LEE, Michael Boarder Single M 22 1889 Seaman West Africa Visitor
JACK, Tom Boarder Single M 18 1893 Seaman West Africa Visitor
HEMANS, John Boarder Single M 33 1878 Seaman West Africa Visitor
ROBINSON, Thomas Boarder Single M 24 1887 Seaman West Africa Visitor
CLEMMINGS, James Boarder Single M 32 1879 Seaman West Africa Visitor
JOHNSON, Quace Boarder Single M 26 1885 Seaman West Africa Visitor
ARTHUR, Joseph Boarder Single M 24 1887 Seaman British West Africa Visitor

Welcome to the Community boards Dorothy :-)



I will let Dorothy know that she has replies to her query.. :-)

Dorothy was born in Grimsby....but the 1916 (If i have the right one??) and 1921 births were registered in South Shields where the marriage took place...


Births Dec 1916 (>99%)
Mawhood Milton Mawhood S.Shields 10a See D30

Was Dorothy your Father's Mother??

Reregistered.........??

Births Dec 1916 (>99%)
Williams Milton Mawhood S.Shields 10a See D/80


..England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005
about Milton Williams Name: Milton Williams
Mother's Maiden Surname: Mainhood
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1916
Registration District: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: D'80


..England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005
about Dorothy Williams Name: Dorothy Williams
Mother's Maiden Surname: Mawhood
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1921
Registration District: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1705

??

..England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Dorothy Williams Name: Dorothy Williams
Birth Date: abt 1921
Date of Registration: Mar 1922
Age at Death: 1
Registration District: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 1251


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Milton Mawhood Name: Milton Mawhood
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1916
Date of Registration: May 2002
Age at Death: 85
Registration District: South Tyneside
Inferred County: Tyne and Wear
Register Number: A4G
District and Subdistrict: 0571A
Entry number: 87

Two pms from Dorothy suggest that the man we've found isn't the one she's looking for.

Have asked for response to be put on here.

Spouse missing on FreeBmD

Marriages Dec 1918 (>99%)
Mawhood Dorothy Williams S. Shields 10a 1485

Here he is...

Marriages Dec 1918 (>99%)
Williams Moses D Mawhood S.Shields 10a 1455

..England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Moses D Williams Name: Moses D Williams
Spouse Name: Dorothy Mawhood
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1918
Registration District: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1455

Dorothy - do you know for definite that Moses Decker Williams was actually included on the photo of that ship's crew in Belfast?

Don't know if photo is Moses, but Dad said it was of his father and pointed out the sailor. My mistake, Dad was born in shields, I only have a small birth certifiate with his name as Milton Mawhood, I assume this was to avoid embarassment when applying for jobs, His father is down as Milton David on his marriage certificate.
On Dorothy and Moses wedding cert. . he is Mose Decker ,aged 23 in 1918,and his father is Comrades Williams[deceased] Farmer. In 1921 on Dorothy's birth cert, father is Decker Williams[seaman merchant seaman]
Milton was my father,but didn't talk much about his family,obviously found it hard.

Now I know who Doll was! His sister Dorothy!
I think she must have kept it in the family too, because her name was always Mawhood and she had a son Milton Mawhood.

I wonder who Leonard's father was? and who was Milton's father?
Now my husband has some history as far out as mine. ;D
[OH reading over my shoulder.....]
He remambers his father talking about Aunty Rose as well! Now we're getting somewhere.
OK, Milton's father was killed before he and Doll got married.
It's all very confusing now ::)


From http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=280067.0
Perhaps you've already read through this board?
Doesn't mention your Moses though except the marriage to Dorothy which means the last statement above cannot be true.

There is a photo of Moses on his Merchant Navy Seaman original record on Find My Past (he wasn't white) it says he was born in Freetown Sierra Leon on 25/06/1889. Rating, F'man.

It also says deceased 01/01/1924 presumed Smallpox. Ex Trewiddin. Nationality British. Father British

EDIT. I have sent you this record and photo to your in box