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Tawny
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1 Dec 2013 22:42 |
Have tried for a while to find these two sisters and wondered if anyone else could find them?
Kate Ellen Clarke was born in 1876 in Little Gaddesden, Herts and Elizabeth Alice Clarke was born in 1879 I think in Aldbury, Herts. Both of their parents Daniel and Sarah Clarke nee Lovett along with three of their four siblings are dead by 1883. I have found the only other living child Henry/Harry/John Clarke and his sisters never appear on a census with Henry after 1881.
I last found Kate given as Kate Clark a 25 year old parlour maid working in Hatfield, Herts on the 1901 census. I last found Elizabeth given as Elizabeth A Clark an 11 year old boarder living in Aldbury on the 1891 census. I know they may both have married but have had no luck looking for marriages.
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patchem
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1 Dec 2013 22:57 |
Have you looked to see if they are in anyone's tree on here?
Added: Have you found Kate's birth on free bmd?
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Tawny
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1 Dec 2013 23:05 |
I have searched other trees but other than one person who added them after seeing my tree they don't appear on anyone else's.
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rootgatherer
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1 Dec 2013 23:07 |
Is this Kate's birth please?
Births Mar 1876 CLARKE Kate Ellen Edmonton 3a 265
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patchem
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1 Dec 2013 23:11 |
Just for ref;
1881 England Census Daniel Clarke Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Sarah Clarke Gender: Male Where born: Little Gaddesden, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Aldbury County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street Address: Upper End of Village Marital Status: Married Occupation: Invalid Registration District: Berkhampstead Sub-registration District: Tring ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Piece: 1447 Folio: 30 Page Number: 15 Daniel Clarke 41 Sarah Clarke 36 M.Ann Clarke 16 Henry Clarke 12 Kate Clarke 5 Elizabeth Clarke 1 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1447; Folio: 30; Page: 15; GSU roll: 1341351.
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patchem
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1 Dec 2013 23:12 |
Either of these? Births Mar 1875 Clarke Kate Eliza H. Hempstead 3a 423 Births Jun 1875 CLARKE Kate Marion H. Hempstead 3a 422
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patchem
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1 Dec 2013 23:16 |
Where does she use the name Kate Ellen?
Added: Is this her? Births Dec 1875 Clark Kate Berkhampstead 3a 429
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rootgatherer
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1 Dec 2013 23:18 |
Is this the one that you think is yours in 1891 please?
Name: Kate Clark Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Aldbury, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: St Peter Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: St Albans County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: St Albans Sub-registration District: St Albans ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1115 Folio: 49 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age Gussnnah E Hill 60 Gertrude Burnell 13 Silpah Carter 14 Elizabeth K Bearley 16 Alice S Goodship 14 Kate Clark 15 Maud Wright 14 Bertha Fuller 15 Jessy Hener 13 Kate Coney 15 Marion C Crowder 24 Ellen Kemble 24 Lilian R Taylor 22 Ellen Hemworth 52
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Tawny
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1 Dec 2013 23:28 |
I did wonder about that one born in 1875 in case I had them mixed up. I am waiting on both birth certs to confirm. That is her however in 1891
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rootgatherer
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1 Dec 2013 23:35 |
Have you considered this death please?
Deaths Sep 1892 Clark Elizabeth Alice 13 Leighton B. 3b 211
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Tawny
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1 Dec 2013 23:40 |
I missed that one. Will look at that one a bit closer.
Tawny
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2 Dec 2013 09:07 |
Baptism (Find My Past)
Baptism Day:10 Baptism Month:Oct Baptism Year:1875 Forenames(s):Kate Surname:Clark Father's Forename(s):Daniel Father's Occupation:Laborer Mother's Forename(s):Sarah Mother's Surname: Birth Day: Birth Month: Birth Year: Page:120 Place:Little Gaddesden County:Hertfordshire
Baptism Day:7 Baptism Month:Dec Baptism Year:1879 Forenames(s):Elizabeth Alice Surname:Clark Father's Forename(s):Daniel Father's Occupation:Labourer Mother's Forename(s):Sarah Mother's Surname: Birth Day: Birth Month: Birth Year: Page:16 Place:Aldbury County:Hertfordshire Data provider:Hertfordshire Archives & Local Studies
Chris :)
Burial Burial Day:7 Burial Month:Feb Burial Year:1883 Forenames(s):Daniel Surname:Clarke Age:42 Father's Forename(s): Mother's Forename(s): Husband's Forename(s): Died Day: Died Month: Died Year: Page:22 Place:Aldbury County:Hertfordshire Data provider:Hertfordshire Archives & Local Studies
Burial Day:12 Burial Month:May Burial Year:1881 Forenames(s):Sarah Surname:Clarke Age:36 Father's Forename(s): Mother's Forename(s): Husband's Forename(s): Died Day: Died Month: Died Year: Page:18 Place:Aldbury County:Hertfordshire
Burial Day:20 Burial Month:Sep Burial Year:1892 Forenames(s):Elizabeth Alice Surname:Clarke Age:13 Father's Forename(s): Mother's Forename(s): Husband's Forename(s): Died Day: Died Month: Died Year: Page:39 Place:Aldbury County:Hertfordshire
? Banns Day:14 Banns Month:Feb Banns Year:1904 Groom's Forename(s):Tom Groom's Surname:Groom Groom's Parish:Knebworth Bride's Forename(s):Kate Bride's Surname:Clarke Bride's Parish:St Mary's Hitchin Marriage Day: Marriage Month: Marriage Year: Page: Place:Knebworth County:Hertfordshire
(must be another Kate about)
Burial Burial Day:15 Burial Month:Jun Burial Year:1899 Forenames(s):Kate Surname:Clarke Age:27 Father's Forename(s): Mother's Forename(s): Husband's Forename(s): Died Day: Died Month: Died Year: Page:50 Place:Aldbury County:Hertfordshire
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Chris Ho :)
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2 Dec 2013 10:57 |
? Marriage Day:25 Marriage Month:Dec Marriage Year:1897 Groom's Forename(s):Joseph William Groom's Surname:Elsom Groom's Age:24 Groom's Parish: Bride's Forename(s):Kate Bride's Surname:Clarke Bride's Age:23 Bride's Parish: Groom's Father's Forename: Groom's Father's Surname: Bride's Father's Forename:Daniel Bride's Father's Surname:Clarke Page:70 Place:Wheathampstead County:Hertfordshire
Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------- Clarke Kate St. Albans 3a 1040 Elsom Joseph William St Albans 3a 1040
Chris :)
(possibly not!)
1911 ELSOM, Joseph William Head Married M 39 1872 Farm Labourer General Digswell in Hertfordshire ELSOM, Kate Wife Married13 years F 38 1873 Haverhill Suffolk ELSOM, Eva Mary Daughter F 4 1907 Wheathampstead Herts RG number: RG14 Piece: 7603 Reference: RG14PN7603 RG78PN372 RD136 SD2 ED14 SN19 Registration District: Hitchin Sub District: Hitchin Enumeration District: 14 Parish: Kimpton Address: Kimpton Bottom Kimpton Welwyn Hertfordshire County: Hertfordshire
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Tawny
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2 Dec 2013 21:02 |
Thank you for finding the information for me.
Tawny
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Tawny
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15 Feb 2014 20:55 |
Kate Clarke was born in 1875 in Little Gaddesden, Hertfordshire. As Rootgtherer found in 1891 Kate was in St Albans training for service and in 1901 she is in Hatfield working as a House Parlour Maid in Hatfield. By 1905 all five of Kate's siblings and both her parents had died. Despite all my searches I have not found Kate in 1911 and would love to find out if she outlived the rest of her family and saw old age.
Tawny
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TessAkaBridgetTheFidget
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16 Feb 2014 01:44 |
Tawny, Looks like Chris Ho may be right in posting on 2nd Dec at 09.07 Re Marriage to Tom Groom.
1911 Census shows Tom and Kate Groom living in Hitcham, Bucks. They have a son - William Howard Groom aged 6.
Have a look and see what you think. Worth sending for marriage cert.
It seems that Tom died in 1937 in Eton. Not sure about Kate. William Howard seems to have died in 1979.
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16 Feb 2014 01:57 |
If 1904 Marriage to Tom Groom is correct it seems that Kate died in 1939 in Eton.
As in 1911 Census age is a couple of years out - but this is not unusual.
Well worth sending for the marriage cert. to make sure.
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Chris Ho :)
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16 Feb 2014 08:38 |
1911 (reference from FMP) GREEN (Groom on image), Tom Head Married M 30 1881 Gardener Kenilworth Herts (Knebworth) (age looks to be 35) GREEN, Kate Wife Married 7 years F 33 1878 Little Gaddesden GREEN, William Howard Son M 6 1905 Kenilworth Herts (Knebworth) RG number: RG14 Piece: 7856 Reference: RG14PN7856 RG78PN392 RD144 SD2 ED7 SN24 Registration District: Eton Sub District: Burnham Enumeration District: 7 Parish: Hitcham Address: Hitcham Taplow Buckinghamshire County: Buckinghamshire
Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%) ----------------------------------------- Groom Tom Hitchin 3a 767 Clarke Kate Hitchin 3a 767
Births Mar 1905 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------- Groom William Howard Hitchin 3a 758a
(agrees, worth a try!)
Chris :)
Baptism Day:4 Baptism Month:Oct Baptism Year:1874 Forenames(s):Thomas Surname:Groom Father's Forename(s):Charles Father's Occupation:Labourer Mother's Forename(s):Charlotte Place:Knebworth County:Hertfordshire
(a possible)
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Tawny
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16 Feb 2014 10:06 |
Thank you all :-)
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Tawny
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24 Feb 2014 22:43 |
Got the marriage cert through today and it confirms that Kate did indeed marry Tom Groom on the 12th March 1904. Thank you to all who helped me find her. :-)
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