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Kate Ellen Clarke ?......solved

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Tawny

Tawny Report 24 Feb 2014 22:43

Got the marriage cert through today and it confirms that Kate did indeed marry Tom Groom on the 12th March 1904. Thank you to all who helped me find her. :-)

Tawny

Tawny Report 16 Feb 2014 10:06

Thank you all :-)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 16 Feb 2014 08:38

1911 (reference from FMP)
GREEN (Groom on image), Tom Head Married M 30 1881 Gardener Kenilworth Herts (Knebworth) (age looks to be 35)
GREEN, Kate Wife Married 7 years F 33 1878 Little Gaddesden
GREEN, William Howard Son M 6 1905 Kenilworth Herts (Knebworth)
RG number: RG14
Piece: 7856
Reference: RG14PN7856 RG78PN392 RD144 SD2 ED7 SN24
Registration District: Eton
Sub District: Burnham
Enumeration District: 7
Parish: Hitcham
Address: Hitcham Taplow Buckinghamshire
County: Buckinghamshire


Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------
Groom Tom Hitchin 3a 767
Clarke Kate Hitchin 3a 767


Births Mar 1905 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------
Groom William Howard Hitchin 3a 758a

(agrees, worth a try!)

Chris :)

Baptism Day:4
Baptism Month:Oct
Baptism Year:1874
Forenames(s):Thomas
Surname:Groom
Father's Forename(s):Charles
Father's Occupation:Labourer
Mother's Forename(s):Charlotte
Place:Knebworth
County:Hertfordshire

(a possible)

TessAkaBridgetTheFidget

TessAkaBridgetTheFidget Report 16 Feb 2014 01:57

If 1904 Marriage to Tom Groom is correct it seems that Kate died in 1939 in Eton.

As in 1911 Census age is a couple of years out - but this is not unusual.

Well worth sending for the marriage cert. to make sure.

TessAkaBridgetTheFidget

TessAkaBridgetTheFidget Report 16 Feb 2014 01:44

Tawny, Looks like Chris Ho may be right in posting on 2nd Dec at 09.07
Re Marriage to Tom Groom.

1911 Census shows Tom and Kate Groom living in Hitcham, Bucks. They have a son - William Howard Groom aged 6.

Have a look and see what you think. Worth sending for marriage cert.

It seems that Tom died in 1937 in Eton. Not sure about Kate.
William Howard seems to have died in 1979.

Tawny

Tawny Report 15 Feb 2014 20:55

Kate Clarke was born in 1875 in Little Gaddesden, Hertfordshire. As Rootgtherer found in 1891 Kate was in St Albans training for service and in 1901 she is in Hatfield working as a House Parlour Maid in Hatfield. By 1905 all five of Kate's siblings and both her parents had died. Despite all my searches I have not found Kate in 1911 and would love to find out if she outlived the rest of her family and saw old age.

Tawny

Tawny

Tawny Report 2 Dec 2013 21:02

Thank you for finding the information for me.

Tawny

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 2 Dec 2013 10:57

?
Marriage Day:25
Marriage Month:Dec
Marriage Year:1897
Groom's Forename(s):Joseph William
Groom's Surname:Elsom
Groom's Age:24
Groom's Parish:
Bride's Forename(s):Kate
Bride's Surname:Clarke
Bride's Age:23
Bride's Parish:
Groom's Father's Forename:
Groom's Father's Surname:
Bride's Father's Forename:Daniel
Bride's Father's Surname:Clarke
Page:70
Place:Wheathampstead
County:Hertfordshire

Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------------
Clarke Kate St. Albans 3a 1040
Elsom Joseph William St Albans 3a 1040

Chris :)

(possibly not!)

1911
ELSOM, Joseph William Head Married M 39 1872 Farm Labourer General Digswell in Hertfordshire
ELSOM, Kate Wife Married13 years F 38 1873 Haverhill Suffolk
ELSOM, Eva Mary Daughter F 4 1907 Wheathampstead Herts
RG number: RG14
Piece: 7603
Reference: RG14PN7603 RG78PN372 RD136 SD2 ED14 SN19
Registration District: Hitchin
Sub District: Hitchin
Enumeration District: 14
Parish: Kimpton
Address: Kimpton Bottom Kimpton Welwyn Hertfordshire
County: Hertfordshire

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 2 Dec 2013 09:07

Baptism (Find My Past)

Baptism Day:10
Baptism Month:Oct
Baptism Year:1875
Forenames(s):Kate
Surname:Clark
Father's Forename(s):Daniel
Father's Occupation:Laborer
Mother's Forename(s):Sarah
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Page:120
Place:Little Gaddesden
County:Hertfordshire


Baptism Day:7
Baptism Month:Dec
Baptism Year:1879
Forenames(s):Elizabeth Alice
Surname:Clark
Father's Forename(s):Daniel
Father's Occupation:Labourer
Mother's Forename(s):Sarah
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Page:16
Place:Aldbury
County:Hertfordshire
Data provider:Hertfordshire Archives & Local Studies

Chris :)

Burial
Burial Day:7
Burial Month:Feb
Burial Year:1883
Forenames(s):Daniel
Surname:Clarke
Age:42
Father's Forename(s):
Mother's Forename(s):
Husband's Forename(s):
Died Day:
Died Month:
Died Year:
Page:22
Place:Aldbury
County:Hertfordshire
Data provider:Hertfordshire Archives & Local Studies

Burial Day:12
Burial Month:May
Burial Year:1881
Forenames(s):Sarah
Surname:Clarke
Age:36
Father's Forename(s):
Mother's Forename(s):
Husband's Forename(s):
Died Day:
Died Month:
Died Year:
Page:18
Place:Aldbury
County:Hertfordshire

Burial Day:20
Burial Month:Sep
Burial Year:1892
Forenames(s):Elizabeth Alice
Surname:Clarke
Age:13
Father's Forename(s):
Mother's Forename(s):
Husband's Forename(s):
Died Day:
Died Month:
Died Year:
Page:39
Place:Aldbury
County:Hertfordshire


?
Banns Day:14
Banns Month:Feb
Banns Year:1904
Groom's Forename(s):Tom
Groom's Surname:Groom
Groom's Parish:Knebworth
Bride's Forename(s):Kate
Bride's Surname:Clarke
Bride's Parish:St Mary's Hitchin
Marriage Day:
Marriage Month:
Marriage Year:
Page:
Place:Knebworth
County:Hertfordshire


(must be another Kate about)

Burial
Burial Day:15
Burial Month:Jun
Burial Year:1899
Forenames(s):Kate
Surname:Clarke
Age:27
Father's Forename(s):
Mother's Forename(s):
Husband's Forename(s):
Died Day:
Died Month:
Died Year:
Page:50
Place:Aldbury
County:Hertfordshire

Tawny

Tawny Report 1 Dec 2013 23:40

I missed that one. Will look at that one a bit closer.

Tawny

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 1 Dec 2013 23:35

Have you considered this death please?

Deaths Sep 1892 Clark Elizabeth Alice 13 Leighton B. 3b 211

Tawny

Tawny Report 1 Dec 2013 23:28

I did wonder about that one born in 1875 in case I had them mixed up. I am waiting on both birth certs to confirm. That is her however in 1891

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 1 Dec 2013 23:18

Is this the one that you think is yours in 1891 please?

Name: Kate Clark
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Aldbury, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: St Albans
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration District: St Albans
Sub-registration District: St Albans
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1115
Folio: 49
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Gussnnah E Hill 60
Gertrude Burnell 13
Silpah Carter 14
Elizabeth K Bearley 16
Alice S Goodship 14
Kate Clark 15
Maud Wright 14
Bertha Fuller 15
Jessy Hener 13
Kate Coney 15
Marion C Crowder 24
Ellen Kemble 24
Lilian R Taylor 22
Ellen Hemworth 52

patchem

patchem Report 1 Dec 2013 23:16

Where does she use the name Kate Ellen?

Added:
Is this her?
Births Dec 1875
Clark Kate Berkhampstead 3a 429

patchem

patchem Report 1 Dec 2013 23:12

Either of these?
Births Mar 1875
Clarke Kate Eliza H. Hempstead 3a 423
Births Jun 1875
CLARKE Kate Marion H. Hempstead 3a 422

patchem

patchem Report 1 Dec 2013 23:11

Just for ref;

1881 England Census
Daniel Clarke Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Sarah Clarke
Gender: Male Where born: Little Gaddesden, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Aldbury County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England
Street Address: Upper End of Village
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Invalid
Registration District: Berkhampstead Sub-registration District: Tring
ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Piece: 1447 Folio: 30 Page Number: 15
Daniel Clarke 41
Sarah Clarke 36
M.Ann Clarke 16
Henry Clarke 12
Kate Clarke 5
Elizabeth Clarke 1
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1447; Folio: 30; Page: 15; GSU roll: 1341351.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 1 Dec 2013 23:07

Is this Kate's birth please?

Births Mar 1876
CLARKE Kate Ellen Edmonton 3a 265

Tawny

Tawny Report 1 Dec 2013 23:05

I have searched other trees but other than one person who added them after seeing my tree they don't appear on anyone else's.

Tawny

patchem

patchem Report 1 Dec 2013 22:57

Have you looked to see if they are in anyone's tree on here?

Added:
Have you found Kate's birth on free bmd?

Tawny

Tawny Report 1 Dec 2013 22:42

Have tried for a while to find these two sisters and wondered if anyone else could find them?

Kate Ellen Clarke was born in 1876 in Little Gaddesden, Herts and Elizabeth Alice Clarke was born in 1879 I think in Aldbury, Herts. Both of their parents Daniel and Sarah Clarke nee Lovett along with three of their four siblings are dead by 1883. I have found the only other living child Henry/Harry/John Clarke and his sisters never appear on a census with Henry after 1881.

I last found Kate given as Kate Clark a 25 year old parlour maid working in Hatfield, Herts on the 1901 census. I last found Elizabeth given as Elizabeth A Clark an 11 year old boarder living in Aldbury on the 1891 census. I know they may both have married but have had no luck looking for marriages.

Tawny