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Moira

Moira Report 29 Nov 2013 20:34

I have a marriage in 1904 of John Kerr Torkington to either Polly Hudson or Emily Guyatt, but on the 1911 Census the wife is named as Dora, would this be another name for either Polly or Emily as I know my nan was called Mary but her siblings called her Polly

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Nov 2013 20:36

On 1911 census how long have the couple been married?
Just thinking that first wife may have died and he remarried to Dora.

When and where was John born please?

Moira

Moira Report 29 Nov 2013 20:41

8 years married on the 1911 census, so that would be correct

Andrew

Andrew Report 29 Nov 2013 20:42

According to the Electoral Role, his wife was Emily.

From info on census, this should be her birth


Births Dec 1879 (>99%)
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Guyatt Emily Romford 4a 231


Andy

Moira

Moira Report 29 Nov 2013 20:44

Thank you Andrew I wonder where the Dora came from. I can at least try to find out a little about Emily

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 29 Nov 2013 20:44

I'm not seeing a Kerr/Hudson/Guyatt marriage registered in 1904??


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 29 Nov 2013 20:48

Ahh, i get it now!

Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%)
Guyatt Emily Wandsworth 1d 806
Hudson Polly Wandsworth 1d 806
Radford William Henry Wandsworth 1d 806
Torkington John Kerr Wandsworth 1d 806

I was looking for a John Kerr marriage in Torkington!!! :-( :-D

Andrew

Andrew Report 29 Nov 2013 20:49

Here you go, PH



Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%)
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Guyatt Emily Wandsworth 1d 806
Hudson Polly Wandsworth 1d 806
Radford William Henry Wandsworth 1d 806
Torkington John Kerr Wandsworth 1d 806


Andy

mgnv

mgnv Report 29 Nov 2013 20:50

Marriages Mar 1904 (>99%)
Guyatt Emily Wandsworth 1d 806
Hudson Polly Wandsworth 1d 806
Radford William Henry Wandsworth 1d 806
Torkington John Kerr Wandsworth 1d 806

Catherine

Catherine Report 29 Nov 2013 20:54

Just wondering if he married either Polly or Emily, but left which ever one it was, and was just living with Dora by 1911 census?

Andrew

Andrew Report 29 Nov 2013 20:55

More children after the census

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
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Torkington John E Guyatt Croydon 2a 639


Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1915 (>99%)
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TORKINGTON John GUYATT Camberwell 1d 1288

Andy

Andrew

Andrew Report 29 Nov 2013 20:59

You can trace John through the Electoral roles from 1903 right up to WW2.

He also appears in the phone book as early as 1902. A solicitor based in Central London.

Andy

Moira

Moira Report 29 Nov 2013 21:02

Thank you very much for all your help everyone

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Nov 2013 21:34

Just posting the 1911 so Dora's birthplace can be checked against Emily's

TORKINGTON, John Ken Head Married M 39 1872 Solicitor London Islington
TORKINGTON, Dora Wife Married8 years F 30 1881 Essex Barking
TORKINGTON, Gordon Son M 7 1904 Surrey Balham
TORKINGTON, Janet Daughter F 5 1906 Surrey Balham
THORNTON, Millie Single F 19 1892 Servant Kent Penge

RG number: RG14 Piece: 3415
Reference: RG14PN3415 RG78PN128 RD39 SD5 ED11 SN200
Registration District: Croydon
Sub District: Penge
Enumeration District: 11
Parish: Penge

Address: 25 Royston Road County: Surrey

Married 8 year, just those 3 children born.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 29 Nov 2013 21:39

This looks like Emily in 1901 - same birthplace as "Dora"

GUYATT, Robert Head Married M 55 1846 Warehouseman Ilford, Essex
GUYATT, Eliza Wife Married F 52 1849 London
GUYATT, Emily Daughter Single F 21 1880 Draper's Assistant Barking, Essex
GUYATT, Minnie Daughter Single F 20 1881 Milliner Barking, Essex

Piece: 1654 Folio: 68 Page: 10
Registration District: Romford
Civil Parish: Barking

Address: 46, Linton Road, Barking County: Essex

Moira

Moira Report 29 Nov 2013 21:42

Hello MC I have checked that we have the correct Emily but now I have looked up the 2 births that Andrew found for John Torkington first born 1911 ( not on 1911 census) and then the second one born 1915 also in 1915 there is a death for a John Torkington but it looks like the one born 1915, I cannot find a death for the first one but why would they call the second one John also if the first one was still living?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 30 Nov 2013 09:43

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(above has Burial of below)

Deaths Mar 1945 (>99%)
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TORKINGTON John K 73 Hampstead 1a 565

Chris :)

patchem

patchem Report 30 Nov 2013 09:52

Worth getting the certificates for more information, definitely is 0

John Torkington
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1915
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1915
Age at Death: 0
Registration District: Camberwell
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 954

Kayak

Kayak Report 30 Nov 2013 15:29

Perhaps Dora was a pet name for Emily. My daughter in law's name is Denise but my son calls her Doris all the time.

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 30 Nov 2013 16:09

The electoral registers are quite confusing!

1929 - Dulwich: Dora Torkington; Gordon Robert Torkington

1929 - Camberwell: John Kerr Torkington; Dora Torkington; Oliver Torkington

1930 - Dulwich: Gordon Robert Torkington; Bessie Margaret Torkington

1930 - Camberwell: John Kerr Torkington, Emily Olive Torkington and Maud Torkington

1932 - Camberwell: Gordon Robert Torkington; Bessie Margaret Torkington; Dora Torkington; John Kerr Torkington; Olive Maud Torkington