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I think we have well and truly ruled out that 1942 Vivian Jenkins marriage that I was so proud of :-)
He was the other fellow whose name was so helpfully misspelled in his birth registration, who settled in Alberta.

Iron Acton was in Chipping Sodbury reg dist so this was very likely Frank's birth

Births Mar 1894
Jenkins Frank Chipping S. 6a 213

I remembered that you can search the Canadian Legion's Last Post magazine on line for records of veterans' deaths back to 1985 ... no Vivian Jenkins is shown there ...

Vivian is not listed among WWII war dead ... in case the other son whose name is unknown was killed in WWII, I searched at the CWGC site for any Jenkins in the Canadian Forces with the keyword Frank or Rose in the record but there was none with those parents ... of course in many cases parents are not listed and that might be especially true if they were long deceased ... but nor was there any Canadian Jenkins casualty whose age at death matched with a 1921 birth ...


On Canada Voters Lists there is a V Jenkins in Manitoba in 1935 and a V Jenkins in Manitoba in 1962 (also a Mrs V Jenkins that year). I can't see any more details than that (and if it were possible the people were still living I would not post them here!)

I believe it was quite common after the war for Canadians to resettle in the United States ............

Dianna, I've already searched high and low for a 1919 passenger list for Rosemary but not found one. I think it's quite possible that brides of Canadian soldiers may have travelled back with their husbands - I've rarely found a civilian passenger list for them.

Hi everyone,
Your correct, it is quite frustrating trying to solve this link. On the 1921 Census detail it shows both mother Rosemary and father Frank Jenkins as born in Wales. Later information states Frank being born in Iron Acton, Gloucestershire, England. Although he lived in Wales from an early age.

I wonder what information appeared on the passenger list in 1919 when Rosemary emigrated to Canada. Can anyone help.

Best Regards
Dianna

V Lloyd Jenkins
Birth: 1916
Death: 1999
Family links:
Parents:
Arthur Jenkins (1876 - 1949)
Ellen Jenkins (1876 - 1959)
Burial:
Didsbury Cemetery
Didsbury
Calgary Census Division
Alberta, Canada

http://www.findagrave.com/

(if fitting anywhere, apologies if you have!)

Chris :)

Going round in circles now! Found this:

Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980
Name: Vivian Lloyd Jenkins
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Occupation: Manager
Electoral District: Calgary South
Year: 1953

At the same address is Mrs Dorothy H Jenkins, whereas the fiancée named in the newspaper notice was Grace May?

Will the real Vivian Jenkins please stand up?

ADDED: I think this is the birth of the one we're trying to eliminate:

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1916
Jenkins Vivain L Jones Aberystwyth 11b 90

My heavens, there were two! and yes that one looks like the more likely candidate for the engagement in 1942. That Vivian was in the air force at the time and so even if he had settled in Alberta on arrival he might well have been in Manitoba for training or such and met his bride that way. A little internet searching seems to show that the Commonwealth Air Training Plan operated in Manitoba as well as elsewhere in Canada.

http://www.museumsmanitoba.com/en/find-a-museum-by-name/details/140

This looks like probably his death

http://albertagenealogy-research.ca/Data/Papers/1995-1999C/CalgaryDeathsPage400.html

JENKINS, Lloyd Vivian 1999 age 83

if he understandably reversed his names. I can't see a birth in the GRO index for either version though.

JoonieCloonie said at 28 Nov 2013 22:57

"I would be surprised if there were two Vivian Jenkins's in Manitoba about the same age"

I don't know about this one ending up in Manitoba, it looks like the contact on arrival was the Land Settlement Office, Calgary, Alberta. However, the reason I'm posting it is because the father's name is Arthur (Mr A Jenkins).


Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Vivian Lloyd Jenkins
Gender: Male
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1917
Birth Country: Wales
Date of Arrival: 28 Apr 1925
Vessel: Megantic
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-14714

Travelling with Arthur (45, a farmer who was going to farm); Ellen (45); Richard Oswald (15); David Albeyd (18); William Emlyn (14); John Idris (12); Alwyn Denis (10); Una Vida (7) - all surname Jenkins and on the one ticket..

I am trying to look for Jenkinses in Winnipeg in 1911 at the free automatedgenealogy.com site but it is messed up at the moment so I have to try free searches at Ancestry ... just wondering whether there is an A Jenkins who would fit for the father named in that engagement announcement ... in 1921 there were (born in England)

Albert John c1879 wife Kate Elisabeth
(children Grace Elizabeth c1914, Alfred William c1915, Bessie Lilian c1917)
Alfred c1890

in the 1916 census there are Lucy c1863 and living with her
Harry c1890
Ivy c1892
William c1893
Frank c1895
Rees c1896
Bertha c1899
Lily c1900
George c1902

Here is the household in 1901 and 1911 in Glamorgan

George Jenkins 38
Lucy Jenkins 39
Ivy Jenkins 9
Fred Jenkins 8
Frank Jenkins 7
Rice Jenkins 5
Bertha Jenkins 2
Lillian Jenkins 11 Months

Lucy Jenkins 48
Harry Jenkins 21
Fred Jenkins 18
Frank Jenkins 17 born Iron Acton as shown on 1916 attestation paper
Rees Jenkins 15
Bertha Jenkins 12
Lilly Jenkins 10
George Egbert Jenkins 8

aha, and he was in the Canadian military in WWI

and then married Rose and took her back to Canada with him

http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc007/416629a.gif

... deleted duplicate info ...

oh oops I saw your last post Marie Celeste but missed where you had already posted the attestation info :-S

In order to find out what happened to Frank we need to firm up on his background to know if we find the right one. I think the military papers pull a few records together. This looks like it could be him arriving in 1913:

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name: Frank Jenkins
Gender: Male
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Date of Arrival: 23 Jun 1913
Vessel: Ascania
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Roll: T-4799

He's travelling with Lucy (51) - a widow, presumably his mother. Also Harry (23), Lucy (21), Rees (17), Bertha (14), Lily (11) and George (10).

Lucy snr states she is going to join her son in Winnipeg. The adult males are all miners but intend farming.

If this is the right family (which I suspect it is) then that gives credence to Vivian having been brought up by family - there looks to be plenty of them.

Dianna, what else do you know about Frank - birthplace in England, parents names, etc?

Was wondering if these might be his attestation papers for WW1 - this man had previously served in the Home Guard in Transcona.

Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918 about Frank Jenkins
Name: Frank Jenkins
Residence: St Why, Manitoba
Birth Date: 5 Jan 1895
Birth Location: Iron Seton, England
Relative: Mrs Lucy Jenkins
Relationship: Mother
Regiment Number: 871024

Links to images:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.02-e.php?image_url=http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc007/416629a.gif&id_nbr=479571

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.02-e.php?image_url=http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc007/416629b.gif&id_nbr=479571

Going back to that 1921 census it appears that Franks occupation is "own farm". I guess he didn't have to be employed on the railroads to be involved in an accident on them?

Also worth adding that although RoseMary arrived in Canada 1919, Frank had originally gone there in 1913.

EDIT: The census also gives Frank's birthplace as England.

alviegal does the 1921 census show Frank's occupation?

there was something said about the railway and I wondered whether the accident might have been in another part of Canada if he worked on trains.

Manitoba death records on line only go up to 70 years ago ... but that would be up to 1943, and that Vivian's engagement was in 1942, so if it is the right Vivian it could be that his father died elsewhere ... possibly even in the United States

Dianna ... I just did a tree search for Vivian Jenkins and noted that two people have a possible match, one with no place of birth and one that says check dates and places ... and beside one of them it says yes I have had contact ... and I thought what? :-S and then I checked and I saw I had a message from you!

Best to reply in the thread, just use the Add you reply box at the bottom of the messages.

Your message wasn't personal so I will just copy it here for the info of others (in case you didn't send other messages too which you may have done)


'Great work, your research confirms most of the info my mother related to me in the past. also I think you are correct that she died in giving birth to the second son.'


I have been looking for anything further on Vivian and Grace May as I think that really must be him ... he was not killed in WWII but that is all I have managed to find!

I would be surprised if there were two Vivian Jenkins's in Manitoba about the same age ... I wonder whether this could be an error (in the original or the machine transcription) ... or if maybe it referred to the relations who reared the children?

it is a pay site for seeing the original

http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/37365600/

24 July 1942

'Mr. F. F. Bromley, Transcona. announces the engagement of his youngest dauchter, Grace May, to LAC. Vivian Jenkins, eldest son of the late Mr. and Mrs. A. Jenkins, of Longhrouth. The wedding will take place in St. Georges cnurcn, Transcona, early in September.'

That 1921 census in detail.


1921 Census of Canada about Rosemary Jenkins
Name: Rosemary Jenkins
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 27
Birth Year: abt 1894
Birth Place: Wales
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Frank Jenkins
Father Birth Place: Wales
Mother Birth Place: Wales
Year of Immigration: 1919
Racial or Tribal Origin: Welsh
Province or Territory: Manitoba
District: Neepawa
District Number: 31
Sub-District Number: 16
City, Town or Village: Lakeview Municipality
Section Number: 23
Township Number: 17
Range Number: 10
Meridian Number: W1
Municipality: Lakeview
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Jenkins 27
Rosemary Jenkins 27
Vivian Jenkins 1 Birth Place: Manitoba
Relation to Head of House: Son

the link is actually http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

and it shows

LAST NAME: JENKINS
GIVEN NAMES: ROSE MARY
DATE OF DEATH: 13/10/1921
AGE: 28
UNITS OF AGE: YEARS
SEX: FEMALE
PLACE OF DEATH: ST B (St Boniface)
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1921,039047

google maps shows St Boniface in central Winnipeg and Transcona on the eastern fringe of Winipeg with Transcona Cemetery just within the perimter highway.

I wonder whether Rose died in childbirth with the second son

???


Web: Manitoba, Death Index, 1881-1941 about Jenkins
Name: Jenkins
Gender: Female
Age at Death: 28
Birth Date: Abt 1893
Death Date: 13 Oct 1921
Death Place: St B, Manitoba, Canada
URL: http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Qu...

wonder if this is her they have no dates

Frank (Mrs.) Jenkins

Birth: unknown
Death: unknown


Burial:
Transcona Cemetery
Transcona
Greater Winnipeg
Manitoba, Canada
Plot: 01-0067-0

Created by: K
Record added: Aug 17, 2009
Find A Grave Memorial# 40774791

Thanks Andy
. This could be a piece to the family line.

Best Regards Dianna.