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20 Nov 2013 09:07 |
father: Thomas Osborne mother: Louisa
Name Annie Louisa Osborne************************* Gender Female Christening Date 27 May 1864************************ Christening Place SAINT GLUVIAS,CORNWALL,ENGLAND Birth Date Birthplace Death Date Name Note Race Father's Name Thomas Osborne******************** Father's Birthplace Father's Age Mother's Name Louisa****************************** Mother's Birthplace Mother's Age Indexing Project (Batch) Number C02237-3 System Origin England-ODM GS Film number 254163 Reference ID
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rootgatherer
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19 Nov 2013 23:05 |
Fiona, no-one was suggesting that Annie Louisa strayed as far as America or Scotland! The suggestion was that her mothers second husband did. Also that her mother Louise was not free to marry her third husband as she was unlikely to have been divorced from Adam Addie?
When you buy the birth certificate for one of Annie's children it should give her maiden surname.
As for the spelling of Sylvester / Silvester, do remember that many were unable to read or write at that time. I remember my own grandmother telling me that when her mother received a letter telling of her daughter's death in 1911 that she was unable to read it!
Please come back and let us know when you get the child's birth certificate.
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Catherine
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19 Nov 2013 23:01 |
If the maiden name of Annie turns out to be Osborne, then the info I posted was not for her but for her eventual parents and in particular her mother. You should keep it all on file until you get the cert. Once you have it come back to this thread and post all the details so all those helping can see what it says. If the info above is not correct, then we can look again to see what we can find. Catherine
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Fiona
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19 Nov 2013 21:25 |
Can only find one reply box here, not sure it is meant for all of of your replies? Thank you everyone for looking for me. I don't think she strayed as far as America Cornwall or Scotland according to the cenus reportts for the Sylvester/ Silvester family. Why could they not have put the maiden names on the marriage details and not just on the certs! I will order the cert for one of the childen and see if it comes up, but there is the Sylvester or Silvester query too think they could have used both names. Though the cert for her daughter Maragert Jane was under Sylvester. Ah well the misery continues! But thank you for your help : )
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Catherine
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19 Nov 2013 17:40 |
Following on from info posted above:-
In 1891 son William Addie is now with his father in Scotland:-
1891 Scotland Census about William Addie Name: William Addie Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Adam Addie Mother's Name: Elizabeth Addie Gender: Male Where born: Aberdeen Registration number: 168/2 Registration District: Old Machar Civil Parish: Aberdeen Old Machar County: Aberdeenshire Address: 82 Powis Place Occupation: Engine Fitter ED: 3 Household Schedule Number: 251 Line: 17 Roll: CSSCT1891_52 Household Members: Name Age Adam Addie 53 Occupation: Mason Elizabeth Addie 37 William Addie 22
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19 Nov 2013 17:32 |
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Deaths Jun 1865 Osborn Thomas St Austell 5c 89
County Cornwall Place St Enoder Church St Enoder RegisterNumber 975 BurialDate 01 Jun 1865 Forename Thomas Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname OSBORNE Age 43 Abode St Austle Notes FileNumber 7144
Marriages Mar 1868 Addie Adam Falmouth 5c 230 <<<<<<<<<< Boxer Frances Emma Falmouth 5c 230 Mayne Josiah Falmouth 5c 230 Osborne Louisa Falmouth 5c 230<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Catherine
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19 Nov 2013 17:22 |
All fits with other info already given (just in case):-
Possible death for Thomas Osborne:- England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Thomas Osborne Name: Thomas Osborne Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1867 Age at Death: 34 Registration District: St Columb Inferred County: Cornwall Volume: 5c Page: 71 .......................................... And second marriage for Louisa:-
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Louisa Osborne Name: Louisa Osborne Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1868 Registration District: Falmouth Inferred County: Cornwall Volume Number: 5c Page Number: 230 Records on Page: Name xxxx Adam Addie Frances Emma Boxer Josiah Mayne xxxx Louisa Osborne
(SEE 1871 CENSUS posted above)
1871 England Census about William Addie Name: William Addie Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Aberdeen, Scotland ....................................................................
Adam Addie seems to have gone off to America, then reappears in 1881 back in Scotland:- 1881 Scotland Census about Adam Addie Name: Adam Addie Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relationship: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Lonmay, Aberdeenshire Registration number: 312 Registration District: Montrose Civil Parish: Montrose County: Angus Address: 62 Ferry Street Occupation: Mason ED: 25 Household Schedule Number: 105 Line: 5 Roll: cssct1881_96 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Adam 60 Adam Addie 43 ....................................................................
And a third?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Henry Gosling Name: Henry Gosling Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1874 Registration District: Hackney Inferred County: London Volume Number: 1b Page Number: 652 Records on Page: Name xxxx Louisa Addie Marion Dovenor xxxx Henry Gosling Thomas Mayhew ...........................................
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Louisa Addie Name: Louisa Addie Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Age: 30 Spouse Name: Henry Gosling Spouse Age: 42 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 19 Jul 1874 Parish: Hackney St Peter Borough: Hackney Father Name: John Hick Spouse Father Name: Charles Gosling Register Type: Parish Register ..................................................................
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Louisa Gosling Name: Louisa Gosling Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1894 Age at Death: 49 Registration District: Poplar Inferred County: London Volume: 1c Page: 411
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Catherine
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19 Nov 2013 17:06 |
Annie Louisa Osborne England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 27 May 1864 St. Gluvias, Cornwall, England residence: St. Gluvias, Cornwall, England father: Thomas Osborne mother: Louisa
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Marriages Sep 1862 (>99%) Frome Henry Falmouth 5c 280 xxxx Hick Louisa Falmouth 5c 280 Lampsher Ann Falmouth 5c 280 Lamsher Ann Falmouth 5c 280 xxxx Osborne Thomas Henry Falmouth 5c 280
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Catherine
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19 Nov 2013 17:03 |
There are a few births for Annie Louisa, that would fit with Dea's marriage:-
Births Mar 1863 OSBORN Annie Louisa St Columb 5c 125 The district St Columb is in the county of Cornwall
Births Sep 1864 OSBORN Annie Louisa Liverpool 8b 149
Births Dec 1864 Osborne Annie Louisa Poplar 1c 628
..............may be worth checking out?
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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19 Nov 2013 16:46 |
1871 England Census about Annie Osborn Name: Annie Osborn Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Penryn, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: St Gluvias Ecclesiastical parish: St Gluvias Town: Penryn County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Registration District: Falmouth Sub-registration District: Penryn ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household Schedule Number: 154 Piece: 2296 Folio: 42 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age John Hick 69 Sarah Hick 62 Jane Wynter 30 Louisa Addie 28 Annie Osborn 8*******grandaughter Jane Wynter 7 Elerye An Wynter 3 William Addie 2
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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19 Nov 2013 16:39 |
O Dea I saw that one but dismissed it!! It does look good though.
On one census with her hbby down as the place of birth in N K.
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19 Nov 2013 16:17 |
I prefer this one, though I can't find any evidence at present :-(
Marriages Jun 1884 Osborne Anne Cannock 6b 717 Silvester John Cannock 6b 717
????? 1881 census transcription details for: Springfield Villa, St Columb Major Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 2296 Folio: 76 Page: 20 Reg. District: St Columb Sub District: St Columb Parish: St Columb Major Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Springfield Villa, St Columb Major County: Cornwall Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born DUNSTAN, Joseph Head Married M 47 1834 Bank Manager Truro, Cornwall DUNSTAN, Mary Ann Wife Married F 41 1840 Truro, Cornwall DUNSTAN, Clara Vivian Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar St Columb Major, Cornwall DUNSTAN, Julia Roberts Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar St Columb Major, Cornwall GREEN, Bessie Servant Single F 19 1862 Domestic Serv. St Columb Major, Cornwall
Dea x OSBORNE, Annie Louisa Servant Single F 18 1863 Domestic Serv. St Columb Major, Cornwall
Dea Xxx
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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19 Nov 2013 16:10 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about John Sylvester Name: John Sylvester Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1883 Registration District: Nottingham Inferred County: Nottinghamshire Volume Number: 7b Page Number: 516 Records on Page: Name Ann Borroway************ She married a John Sylvester???????????? John Husbands<<<<<<<He married Mary Jane Mary Jane Jordan<<<<<<<<< John Sylvester
It is just a thought............................
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19 Nov 2013 12:21 |
Although the site is down at the moment, you could search the births for one of the children to see if they have transcribed the mothers maiden name
http://www.shropshirebmd.info/cgi/birthind.cgi?county=shropshire
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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19 Nov 2013 10:37 |
1911 England Census about John Silvester Name: John Silvester Age in 1911: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Moreton, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Sheriff Hales County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: 107 Burlington, Sheriffhales,Shifnal, Salop Marital Status: Married Occupation: Shepherd On Farm Registration District: Shifnal Registration District Number: 347 Sub-registration District: Shifnal ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household Schedule Number: 78 Piece: 16008 Household Members: Name Age John Silvester 48 Annie Silvester 47 James Silvester 18 Mary Silvester 14
Married 26 years 5 children born and none died.
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19 Nov 2013 09:55 |
1891
RG number: RG12 Piece: 2097 Folio: 38 Page: 16 Reg. District: Shifnal Sub District: Albrighton Parish: Sheriff Hales Enum. District: 4 Ecclesiastical District: Sheriff Hales City/Municipal Borough: Address: Sheriff Hales County: Shropshire
SILVESTER, John Head Married M 28 1863 Farm Carter Moreton, North Wales SILVESTER, Annie L Wife Married F 27 1864 Moreton, North Wales SILVESTER, Annie Daughter F 6 1885 Church Aston, Shropshire SILVESTER, Levi J Son M 3 1888 Shropshire, New Lodge SILVESTER, Margeret Daughter F 2 1889 Sheriff Hales, Staffordshire
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Chris Ho :)
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19 Nov 2013 09:40 |
1901 (reference) SYLVESTER, John Head Married M 38 1863 Waggoner On Farm Gnosall, Staffordshire SYLVESTER, Annie Louisa Wife Married F 37 1864 N K SYLVESTER, Levi John Son Single M 13 1888 Waggoner On Farm Lilleshall, Salop SYLVESTER, Margaret Jane Daughter Single F 12 1889 Sheriff Hales, Salop SYLVESTER, James Son Single M 8 1893 Sheriff Hales, Salop SYLVESTER, Mary Eliz Daughter Single F 4 1897 Kynnersley, Salop Piece: 2561 Folio: 16 Page: 7 Registration District: Wellington Civil Parish: Kinnersley Municipal Borough: Address: 1, Wall Cottages, Kinnersley, Kynnersley County: Shropshire
Chris :)
(If you get a Birth Cert. of one of the children, that will give you Maiden name of Mother)
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Births Jun 1887 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------- Silvester Levi John Newport, Sh. 6a 789
Births Mar 1889 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------- Silvester Margaret Jane Shifnal 6a 592
Chris :)
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
(order from above, £9.25 each)
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Fiona
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19 Nov 2013 09:33 |
Hi,
I am trying to find the maiden for Annie Lousia Sylvester born 1864 (37 on 1901 cenus) She was married to John Sylvester who was a year older than her. They lived around Newport/Salop/Shropshire area and had 5 children Annie, Levi, Margaret Jane (my great Gran) James and Mary. I can't find a marriage to find out the maiden for Annie. Please can anyone help or give me a few ideas of how to find it? Thank you : ) Fiona
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