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23 Nov 2013 11:42 |
Hi Sally
I'm not sure why you have marked this as anwered when you are still looking for info.
Unfortunately, there is not a parish marriage record for Albert George Carpenter to Ada M Willard to be able to assertain how old he was when he married, where he was living at the time and who his father was.
Unless you have any other info about him?, you will need to purchase a copy of the marriage cert to be able to find out those details.
This is a "possibilty"
???
Household transcription 1911 census Person: CARPENTER, Albert George Address: 85 Queens Cotts Popham St Islington N
CARPENTER, James Head Married M 56 1855 Fitter Pipe Work London Southwark VIEW CARPENTER, Alice Frances Wife Married34 years F 54 1857 London Westminster VIEW CARPENTER, Maud Daughter Single F 27 1884 Carpet Sewer London St Lukes VIEW CARPENTER, Albert George Son Single M 15 1896 Office Messenger London Islington VIEW CARPENTER, Nellie Daughter F 13 1898 School London Islington VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 946 Reference: RG14PN946 RG78PN32 RD10 SD6 ED44 SN256 Registration District: Islington Sub District: Islington South East Enumeration District: 44 Parish: Islington Address: 85 Queens Cotts Popham St Islington N County: London
Do you know when and where he died?......and how old he was?
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ErikaH
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23 Nov 2013 11:40 |
Why have you 'marked as answered'?
You asked for more info................
Look for Albert's birth on freebmd.....................don't guess - get facts.
You really ought to buy a copy of his marriage cert................that would tell you his father's name (if he knew it)
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23 Nov 2013 10:43 |
I am sorry, i do appreciate the time and effort you put into searching for me, thank you
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PricklyHolly
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23 Nov 2013 10:41 |
Ummmmm!
:-(
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ErikaH
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23 Nov 2013 10:33 |
Before asking for more research to be done for you, don't you think it would be polite to acknowledge all the info found for you?
A lot of time and effort have been put in.............................. the least you can do is read it and say 'thank you'.
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23 Nov 2013 10:28 |
Could you look up any information you can find on albert george carpenter, i think he was born 1895 not sure, in wandsworth, london
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23 Nov 2013 09:47 |
Going back to the 1911 census for the Davis family...
Stephen is actually.........Stephen George "Druce" Davis.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Stephen George D Davis Name: Stephen George D Davis Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1871 Registration District: Wantage Inferred County: Berkshire Volume: 2c Page: 336 London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Stephen George Druce Davis (Letter Carrier) Bachelor...56 Duncan Terrace Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Age: 21 Spouse Name: Ada Dixon (Spinster) 179 Balls Pond Road. Spouse Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 11 Jun 1892 Parish: Mildmay Grove St Jude Borough: Islington Father Name: Stephen Davis (Carrier) Spouse Father Name: James Dixon (Meter Maker) Register Type: Parish Register Witnesses: James and Ellen Tison?
1871 England Census about Stephen G D Davis Name: Stephen G D Davis Age: 2 Months Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Son Father's Name: Stephen Davis Mother's Name: Mary J Davis Gender: Male Where born: Compton, Berkshire, England Civil Parish: Compton Town: Compton County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Registration District: Wantage Sub-registration District: Ilsley ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household Schedule Number: 48 Piece: 1269 Folio: 63 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Stephen Davis 30 (Carrier) Compton Berkshire Mary J Davis 20 Rhoda E Davis 9 Gertrude R Davis 5 Stephen G D Davis 2 Months
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Stephen Davis Name: Stephen Davis Gender: Male Christening Date: 3 Jun 1838 Christening Place: Compton, Berkshire, England Father's Name: William Davis Mother's Name: Sarah
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Stephen Davis Name: Stephen Davis Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1880 Age at Death: 42 Registration District: Lambeth Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 320
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about Stephen George Davis Name: Stephen George Davis Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Age at Enlistment: 44 Residence: 51 Chatham Rd, Northcote Rd, Clapham Junc, S W Occ: Labourer Document Year: 1915 Regimental Number: 114700 Regiment Name: Royal Engineers Number of images: 7 Spouse: Ada Davis (Of the above address).....Nee Dixon (Spinster) married 11/06/1892 Islington
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Stephen G D Davis Name: Stephen G D Davis Birth Date: abt 1871 Date of Registration: Mar 1930 Age at Death: 59 Registration District: West Ham Inferred County: Essex Volume: 4a Page: 382
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22 Nov 2013 16:23 |
Fortunately there is a baptism for John Henry Willard..
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about John Henry Willard Name: John Henry Willard Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 4 Sep 1870 Father's Name: Walter James Willard (Fitter) Mother's Name: Jane Mary Willard Parish or Poor Law Union: Notting Hill St Clement Borough: Kensington and Chelsea Register Type: Parish Registers
On the same page is brother Thomas William
..1871 England Census about Walter J Willard Name: Walter J Willard Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane M Willard Gender: Male Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Kensington Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement County/Island: London Country: England Registration District: Kensington Sub-registration District: Kensington Town ED, institution, or vessel: 31a Household Schedule Number: 518 Piece: 42 Folio: 47 Page Number: 87 Household Members: Name Age Walter J Willard 29 (Machine Fitter at Factory) Jane M Willard 24 Chelsea Middlesex John H Willard 4 Thomas W Willard 1
Walter is working away from the family in 1881.........i am struggling to find wife Jane and sons John and Thomas at the moment but will post it if i find it.
..1881 England Census about Walter J. Willard Name: Walter J. Willard Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relationship to Head: Brother (Head) >>>>>>Boarder and not Brother Gender: Male Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Fulham County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 17 Jervis Rd Marital Status: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Engine Fitter Registration District: Fulham Sub-registration District: Fulham ED, institution, or vessel: 24b Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 71 Folio: 30 Page Number: 37 Household Members: Name Age Walter J. Willard 39 (Engine Fitter)
..London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Walter James Willard (Bachelor) Fitter and Corker at Gas Factory Age: Full Age Spouse Name: Jane Mary Banister (Spinster) Spouse Age: 18 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 15 May 1864 Parish: South Lambeth St Barnabas Borough: Lambeth Father Name: Richard Willard (Millwright) Spouse Father Name: Henry Banister (Stonemason) Register Type: Parish Register Witnesses: Thomas and Eliza Flintoff
This is probably the witnesses...
Marriages Dec 1862 (>99%) Flintoff Thomas Lambeth 1d 429 Willard Eliza Lambeth 1d 429
..England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Walter James Willard Name: Walter James Willard Gender: Male Christening Date: 18 Jul 1841 Christening Place: Brighton, Sussex, England Father's Name: Richard Willard Mother's Name: Elizabeth
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Eliza Ann Willard Name: Eliza Ann Willard Gender: Female Birth Date: 16 Dec 1838 Christening Date: 13 Jan 1839 Christening Place: Broadwater by Worthing, Sussex, England Age at Christening: 0 Father's Name: Richard Willard Mother's Name: Elizabeth
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22 Nov 2013 13:57 |
This appears to be John Shephard Rosser in the 1851 census......mistranscribed as "Roper"
Phoebe had been mistranscribed as "Rebeca"
..1851 England Census about John S Roper Name: John S Roper Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Rebeca Roper Gender: M (Male) Where born: Walingford, Berkshire, England Civil Parish: Kensington Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Town: Brompton County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration District: Kensington Sub-registration District: Brompton ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 79 Piece: 1469 Folio: 101 Page Number: 20 Household Members: Name Age John S Roper 35 (Stock and Share Bookers Clerk) Rebeca Roper 24 Emily M P Roper 1 Alice Roper 4 Mo
I looked up the birth for Emily M P Roper and found this....
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Emily Martha Phoebe Rosser Name: Emily Martha Phoebe Rosser Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1849 Registration District: Shoreditch Inferred County: London Volume: 2 Page: 444
..London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Emily Martha Phoebe Rosser (Spinster) Housekeeper Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Age: 36 Spouse Name: Charles Bainbridge (Bachelor) Watchmaker Spouse Age: 45 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 8 Aug 1887 Parish: St Marylebone Borough: Westminster Father Name: John Shepherd Rosser (Auctioneer Knight) Deceased Spouse Father Name: Charles Bainbridge (Servant to Trinitiy College Cambridge)... Deceased Register Type: Parish Register
There is an Emily M on the 1861 census age 11 months.........I'm wondering if that should be the above Emily and her age should read 11 years!
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22 Nov 2013 11:45 |
1881 England Census about Maria Rosser Name: Maria Rosser Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relationship to Head: Daughter Mother: Phoebe Rosser Gender: Female Where born: Battersea, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Battersea County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 81 Blondel Street Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Nurse Girl (Dos) Registration District: Wandsworth Sub-registration District: Battersea ED, institution, or vessel: 50 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 648 Folio: 100 Page Number: 51 Household Members: Name Age Phoebe Rosser 54 (Nurse) Widow Alfred W. Rosser 28 Rosalind Rosser 16 Maria Rosser 13 1871 England Census about Maria Rosser Name: Maria Rosser Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Phoebe Rosser Gender: Female Where born: Battersea, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Battersea Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: Battersea County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration District: Wandsworth Sub-registration District: Battersea ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Household Schedule Number: 29 Piece: 705 Folio: 6 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Phoebe Rosser 42 (Widow) Launderess Elizabeth Rosser 15 Henry Rosser 13 Alfred W Rosser John Rosser 10 Rosaline B Rosser 6 Maria Rosser 4 Frances M Rosser 1 1861 England Census about Phebe Rosser Name: Phebe Rosser Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Julius Rosser Gender: Female Where born: Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Battersea St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration District: Wandsworth Sub-registration District: Battersea ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 100 Piece: 370 Folio: 53 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age Julius Rosser 46 (Accountant)....No idea why it says Julius! Phebe Rosser 35 Alice Rosser 10 Alfred W Rosser 8 Elizabeth Rosser 5 Henry B Rosser 3 Emily M Rosser 11 Months
..London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Phoebe Perkins (Spinster) 4 Providence Terrace, Earls Court, Kensington Age: Full Age Spouse Name: John Stephard Rosser (Mercantile Clerk) 75 Old Broad Street Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 29 Jul 1849 Parish: St Stephen Coleman Street Borough: City of London Father Name: William Perkins (Surveyor) Spouse Father Name: John Rosser (School Master) Register Type: Parish Register Witnesses: Daniel Richard Harke? and Sarah Ham?
..London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Phoebe Perkins Name: Phoebe Perkins Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 15 Jul 1827 Father's Name: William Perkins Mother's Name: Phoebe Perkins Parish or Poor Law Union: Queen Square St George the Martyr Borough: Camden Register Type: Parish Registers
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22 Nov 2013 10:50 |
Household transcription 1911 census Person: WILLARD, John W Address: 1 Bell Lane Wandsworth S W
WILLARD, John Head Married M 43 1868 Brewers Drayman Southwark VIEW WILLARD, Marie Wife Married20 years F 42 1869 Battersea VIEW WILLARD, John W Son Single M 18 1893 Laundry Carman Wandsworth VIEW WILLARD, Richard Son Single M 16 1895 Hairdresser Wandsworth VIEW WILLARD, William Son M 11 1900 School Wandsworth VIEW WILLARD, Sydney Son M 9 1902 Wandsworth VIEW WILLARD, Florence Daughter F 4 1907 Wandsworth VIEW WILLARD, Dorothy Daughter F 2 1909 Wandsworth VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 2397 Reference: RG14PN2397 RG78PN80 RD26 SD7 ED6 SN237 Registration District: Wandsworth Sub District: Southfields Enumeration District: 6 Parish: Wandsworth Address: 1 Bell Lane Wandsworth S W County: London (7 children born and living)
Another daughter...
..England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Amy J Willard Name: Amy J Willard Mother's Maiden Name: Rosser Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1912 Registration District: Wandsworth Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 1376
1901 England Census about John H Willard Name: John H Willard Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Maria Willard Gender: Male Where born: Southwark, London, England Civil Parish: Wandsworth Ecclesiastical parish: St Faith County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Wandsworth Sub-registration District: Wandsworth ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 101 Piece: 483 Folio: 184 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age John H Willard 33 (Timber Labourer) Maria Willard 32 Richard Willard 6 William Willard 2 1891 England Census about John H Willard Name: John H Willard Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Maria Willard Gender: Male Where born: Southwark, London, England Civil Parish: Wandsworth Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews Town: Wandsworth County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Wandsworth Sub-registration District: Wandsworth ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 449 Folio: 18 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age John H Willard 24 (Bricklayers Labourer) Maria Willard 22 London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about John Henry Willard (Potman) Bachelor...7 Thomsett Road, Earlsfield. Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Age: 23 Spouse Name: Maria Rosser (Spinster) 14 Lyddon Road, Earlsfield. Spouse Age: 22 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 31 Aug 1890 Parish: Earlsfield St Andrew Borough: Wandsworth Father Name: Walter James Willard (Shipwright Engineer) Spouse Father Name: John Stephens Rosser (Auctionman) Deceased (Middle name "Shepherd" not "Stephens" on the image) Register Type: Parish Register Witnesses: Henry B Rosser and W J Willard
I'm not seeing a baptism for Maria........but it seems she was baptised Maria Matilda Rosser.
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about John Henry Willard Name: John Henry Willard Probate Date: 20 Mar 1936 Death Date: 20 Feb 1936 Death Place: Surrey, England Registry: London, England Of 1 Bell-Lane The Plane, Wandsworth, Surrey.
To Maria Matilda Willard widow.
Effects: £117 12s 9d
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ErikaH
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22 Nov 2013 09:06 |
Have sent PM's advising Sally that she needs to return................
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12 Nov 2013 18:26 |
from ancestry ............
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about John Walter Willard
Name: John Walter Willard Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892 Age: 22 Spouse Name: Ada Maud Davis Spouse Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 2 Aug 1914 Parish: Earlsfield St Andrew Borough: Wandsworth Father Name: John Henry Willard Spouse Father Name: George Davis Register Type: Parish Register
from image ..................
John Walter Bachelor Occupation:- Carman Address:- 363 Earlsfield (???spelling) Road Father occupation:- Carman
Ada Maud Spinster Occupation:- Machinist Address- 363 Earlsfield (??? sp) Road Father occupation:- Labourer
Witnesses:- E.M. Lattimon (??sp) and J Oh (?? John???) Willard
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about John Walter Willard
Name: John Walter Willard Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 19 Feb 1893 Father's Name: John Henry Willard Mother's Name: Maria Willard Parish or Poor Law Union: Earlsfield St Andrew Borough: Wandsworth Register Type: Parish Registers
Address:- 7 Thomsett Road Father occupation:- Labourer
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12 Nov 2013 18:09 |
also from freebmd ................ this is THE site to go for information on births etc from July 1837 to ca1960
www.freebmd.org.uk/
I wonder if this is John Willard's death
Deaths Mar 1915 (>99%) Willard John W 22 Wandsworth 1d 1068
if so he died, or was killed in WW1, around the same time that Amy was born :-(
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12 Nov 2013 09:14 |
1911 census
Person: DAVIS, Ada Maude Address: 59 Chatham Road S W DAVIS, Stephen George Bruce Head Married M 40 1871 General Labourer Compton Berks VIEW DAVIS, Ada Wife Married19 years F 40 1871 Blouse Maker Islington Middlesex VIEW DAVIS, Ada Maude Daughter Single F 18 1893 Button Hole Machinist Islington Middlesex VIEW DAVIS, Stephen Frank Son Single M 16 1895 Errand Boy Islington Middlesex VIEW DAVIS, Harry James Son M 14 1897 School Walthamstow Essex
3 children born in marriage
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ErikaH
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12 Nov 2013 09:12 |
Suggestion ONLY..........maiden name will be on the cert
Death Name: CARPENTER, Ada Maud Registration district: Wandsworth County: London Year of registration: 1976 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Date of Birth:10 July 1893 Volume no: 15 Page no: 1337
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ErikaH
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12 Nov 2013 09:10 |
As you knew the MMN, you could actually have found all the above info yourself, but I thought I'd give you a kick-start................
Put the following in your favourites - you'll find it invaluiable
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
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ErikaH
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12 Nov 2013 09:08 |
Mother's first marriage
Marriages Sep 1914 (>99%) Davis Ada M Willard Wandsworth 1d 1169 WILLARD John W Davis Wandsworth 1d 1169
Child of the marriage - your grandfather's half-sister
Births Mar 1915 (>99%) WILLARD Amy M Davis Wandsworth 1d 1324
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12 Nov 2013 09:01 |
As you refer to your grandfather in the present tense.........this is obviously his birth
Births Mar 1922 (>99%) Carpenter Albert G Davis Wandsworth 1d 992
His parents?
Marriages Jun 1917 (>99%) Carpenter Albert G Willard Wandsworth 1d 1053 Willard Ada M Carpenter Wandsworth 1d 1053
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ErikaH
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12 Nov 2013 08:56 |
You start by getting factual info about your grandfather.
When and where was he born?
Look for the registration on freebmd...................if he was born after 1911 his mother's maiden name will be on the index.
That MAY enable you to find the marriage of his parents..............and you would then need to buy a copy of the cert to find out how old they were, and the names of their fathers
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