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Sheelah
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7 Nov 2013 15:29 |
I am trying to trace the marriage or any records of my Great Grandparents Patrick Rowan born Liverpool @ 1856 and Jane Fagan born Liverpool @1862. They had 4 children Ellen born 1800, Mary born 1883, Jane born 1886 and Patrick born 1892.
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7 Nov 2013 15:50 |
1891 census: 30, Brindley Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool
ROWAN, Patrick Head Married M 40 1851 Dock Labourer
ROWAN, Jane Wife Married F 29 1862 Bag Maker ROWAN, Jane Daughter Single F 5 1886
ROWAN, Ellen Daughter F 11 1880 ROWAN, Mary Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar
All born Liverpool
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7 Nov 2013 15:53 |
Can't find a marriage for a Patrick Rowan to a Jane Fagan. You could try looking on www.freebmd.org
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Maddie
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7 Nov 2013 15:54 |
1891 for reference
1891 England Census about Patrick Rowan Name: Patrick Rowan Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Rowan Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool Civil Parish: Toxteth Park Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
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Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Toxteth Park Sub-registration District: Toxteth Park ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2923 Folio: 28 Page Number: 49 Household Members: Name Age Patrick Rowan 40 Jane Rowan 29 Jane Rowan 5 Ellen Rowan 11 Mary Rowan 7
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Maddie
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7 Nov 2013 15:56 |
??? from a tree on ancestry
1871 England Census about Patrick Rowan Name: Patrick Rowan Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Son Father's Name: Anthony Rowan Mother's Name: Mary Rowan Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration District: Liverpool Sub-registration District: St Thomas ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household Schedule Number: 213 Piece: 3777 Folio: 48 Page Number: 34 Household Members: Name Age Anthony Rowan 46 1825 Ireland Mary Rowan 50 1821 Ireland Patrick Rowan 18
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7 Nov 2013 15:58 |
with first wife?
Name: Ellen Rowan Age (Original): 1 Gender: Female Birth Year: 1880 Birthplace: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Marital Status: Single Occupation: Address: 6 Ho 5 Ct Norfolk St Event Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1341866 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 3617 / 84 Page Number: 39 Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Patrick Rowan M 31 Ireland Wife Mary Rowan F 30 Ireland Daughter Anne E Rowan F 16 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Cathrine Rowan F 14 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Mary J Rowan F 9 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Bridget Rowan F 7 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Margret Rowan F 6 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Teresa Rowan F 4 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Sarah Rowan F 4 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Ellen Rowan F 1 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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PricklyHolly
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7 Nov 2013 16:00 |
Have you found them on the 1881 census?
This is very odd looking at the ages.......but it's the only 1881 i can find at the moment...
..1881 England Census about Patrick Rowan Name: Patrick Rowan Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Mary Rowan Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 5 CT. Norfolk St. 6 Ho. Marital Status: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Labourer Registration District: Liverpool Sub-registration District: St Thomas ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3617 Folio: 84 Page Number: 39 Household Members: Name Age Patrick Rowan 31 (Labourer) Mary Rowan 30 Anne E. Rowan 16 Cathrine Rowan 14 Mary J. Rowan 9 Bridgit Rowan 7 Margret Rowan 6 Teresa Rowan 4 Sarah Rowan 4 Ellen Rowan 1
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Maddie
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7 Nov 2013 16:03 |
???? ivil registration event: Birth View the original image
Name: ROWAN, Patrick
Registration district: [?] Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1852
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no:[?]8B
Page no:[?]130
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PricklyHolly
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7 Nov 2013 16:05 |
First marriage...
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Marriages Sep 1865 Flynn Mary Liverpool 8b 458 Rowan Patrick Liverpool 8b 458
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ErikaH
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7 Nov 2013 16:05 |
Where did you find the maiden name info for Jane?
Which of her children is your direct line?
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Barry
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7 Nov 2013 16:08 |
There are trees on Ancestry, some showing Patrick's wife as Jane Fagan and there is another showing his wife as Jane Macklin b 1861 and married in Liverpool 1882 Perhaps Jane Macklin was a widow ?? mn Fagan ?
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Maddie
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7 Nov 2013 16:08 |
Jane is a widow by 1911 ROSS, James Head Married M 29 1882 Iron Drum Maker Liverpool Lancashire VIEW ROSS, Mary Wife Married7 years F 27 1884 Liverpool Lancashire VIEW ROSS, William Son Single M 7 1904 School Liverpool Lancashire VIEW ROSS, James Son Single M 5 1906 School Liverpool Lancashire VIEW ROSS, Mary Jane Daughter Single F 3 1908 Liverpool Lancashire VIEW ROSS, Thomas Patrick Son Single M 1 1910 Liverpool Lancashire VIEW ROWAN, Jane Mother In Law Widow F 58 1853 Nil Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 22219
Reference: RG14PN22219 RG78PN1314 RD454 SD1 ED8 SN17
Registration District: Toxteth Park
Sub District: Toxteth Park North West
Enumeration District: 8
Parish: Toxteth Park
Address: 8 in 7 Court Laxey Street Liverpool S
County: Lancashire refine search back to 1911 census search resu
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ErikaH
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7 Nov 2013 16:11 |
This is a CofE marriage.................
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1882 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference ROWAN Patrick MACKLIN Jane Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/74/185
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ErikaH
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7 Nov 2013 16:15 |
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1903 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference ROWAN Mary ROSS James Liverpool, St. Michael in the City Liverpool 2054LP/11/163
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ErikaH
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7 Nov 2013 16:16 |
We need feedback from Sheelah about her sources
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PricklyHolly
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7 Nov 2013 16:17 |
Am i following the wrong Patrick Rowen??
This is the Patrick and Mary from the 1881 census i posted...
..1871 England Census about Annie Rowan Name: Annie Rowan Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Patrick Rowan Mother's Name: Mary Rowan Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration District: Liverpool Sub-registration District: St Thomas ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household Schedule Number: 528 Piece: 3777 Folio: 75 Page Number: 87 Household Members: Name Age Patrick Rowan 30 (Dock Labourer) Mary Rowan 30 Annie Rowan 4 Catherine Rowan 2 Bridget Flynn 25 (Sister) Catherine Flynn 18 (Sister) Clolin Flynn 16 (Brother)
Which ties in with the 1865 marriage i posted.
I'm confused now!
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ErikaH
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7 Nov 2013 16:33 |
There is NO birth to match the info about Patrick c1892
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PricklyHolly
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7 Nov 2013 16:41 |
Odd though Reggie that on the 1881 census i posted, Patrick is 31.
It appears to be the same family in 1871......but Patrick is 30.
Edit: Note that on the 1891 census posted.........he was born 1851 a Dock Labourer.
I might need to have a lie down!
Edit....Reggie has deleted her post.
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7 Nov 2013 17:15 |
there are no Teresa and Sarah births as per that 1881 unless I am missing them? though I can find Mary J (likely)
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Sheelah
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8 Nov 2013 14:41 |
Thank you all for this help. I had been able to find the family on census records from 1891, 1901, 1911. I cannot find any records of marriage or of the births of the children and this is where I hit brick wall. I am descended from Mary Rowan/ Ross whom Jane is living with in 1911, I am pretty certain Patrick died in 1906. Their son Patrick joined the navy and appears on 1911 census in Portsmouth.I cannot be sure of the spouses of Ellen and Jane but think Ellen married a surname Standley
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