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Purcell Family from Hull Yorkshire

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Alana

Alana Report 6 Nov 2013 15:36

I am trying to obtain any information on a Thomas William Richard Purcell and any of his family members
I know that he was born in 1910 and had a twin brother George and an elder sister Stella
He was posted to the Isle of Wight during WW11 and married an Edith Chambers
Thank you for taking the time to read this if you have any info await your reply

Maddie

Maddie Report 6 Nov 2013 15:39

is this a possibilty

Death record transcript

Name: PURCELL, Thomas W R

Registration district: [?] Hull

County: Yorkshire

Year of registration: 1962

Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep

Age at death:51

Volume no: 2A

Page no: 126

Maddie

Maddie Report 6 Nov 2013 15:43

is this the family in 1911
Name Relation Condition /
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
PURCELL, Annie Head Married5 years F 30 1881 Hull Yorks VIEW
PURCELL, Stella Daughter F 4 1907 Hull Yorks VIEW
PURCELL, George Son M 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Hull Yorks VIEW
PURCELL, Dick Son M 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Hull Yorks VIEW
MCCONNELL, Violet Servant F 14 1897 Domestic Servant Gilberdyke Yorks VIEW

RG number: RG14

Piece: 28641

Reference: RG14PN28641 RG78PN1646 RD521 SD4 ED31 SN221

Registration District: Sculcoates

Sub District: Hessle

Enumeration District: 31

Parish: Sculcoates

Address: 1 Manchester St Hull

County: Yorkshire (East riding)

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 6 Nov 2013 15:49

It's easier to help if you say what you wish to know.

We don't then use time looking for that which you don't need.....or already know

Mike *

Mike * Report 6 Nov 2013 15:55


Births Sep Qtr 1910
PURCELL George F A - Sculcoates 9d 199


Death
George Frederick A Purcell
Birth Date:24 Jul 1910
Date of Registration:Mar 1971
Age at Death:60
Registration District:Hull
Inferred County:Yorkshire East Riding

Volume:2a
Page:480


Mike *

Mike * Report 6 Nov 2013 15:58




Birth
Stella Dorothea Purcell
Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1907
Registration District:Sculcoates
Inferred County:Yorkshire East Riding

Volume:9d
Page:168
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Marriages Dec 1940
Brown Cyril A - Purcell - Hull 9d 440
Purcell Stella D - Brown - Hull 9d 440

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 6 Nov 2013 18:04

On the 1911 return Anne has signed herself Anna Dora Purcell so this is most likely her marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1905
NIEMANN Anna Dora Hull 9d 454
PURCELL Henry Vincent Hull 9d 454

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 6 Nov 2013 18:12

Just a hunch but wonder if this is the death of his father? From Maritime BMD

Registration event: death

Name: PURCELL, H V
Date of death: 2 February 1924
Age: 43
Place of death: Thorohavn
Place of birth: Beverley
Belonging to service:
Ship's name: Montans
Series: BT334 - Registers and Indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths of Passengers and Seamen at Sea
Box: 0084
Page: 111

He was ship master, died of sickness, left ship for hospital 2 Feb.

ADDED:

Overseas registration event: Death

Name: PURCELL, H V
Consulate: Thonshavn
Country: Norway
Year: 1921-1925
Volume: 18
Page: 84
Age at death: 43
Record source: GRO Consular Death Indices (1849 to 1965)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 6 Nov 2013 18:16

Looking possible:

Royal Navy Officers Medal Roll 1914-1920

First Name(s):Henry V.
Last Name:Purcell
Rank:Skipper
Service:Royal Naval Reserve
Official number or name of ship:1936 S.A.
Medals and clasps earned:1914-15 Star, Victory & British War Medals
How issued or disposed of:No entry.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 6 Nov 2013 18:22

From the newspaper archives:

Headline: DIED AT SEA.
Publication:Hull Daily Mail
Publication date:Friday 08 February 1924

HULL TRAWLER BRINGS HOME THE SKIPPERS BODY
A well-known Hull skipper, Henry Vincent Purcell, has died suddenly at sea, and his vessel, the Montano, owned by the Hull Northern Steam Fishing Company, has returned to Hull with the body on board.

Skipper Purcell, who was 44 years of age, lived at 3, Canopia Avenue, Hessleroad.

He was taken ill when the Monatano was fishing off the Faroe Islands. The vessel was taken into Thorsaven, with a view to obtaining medical aid, but it was too late to save the skippers life.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 6 Nov 2013 18:28

There are numerous trees on Ancestry that have attributed this death to Henry Vincent Purcell:

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Henry V Purcell
Birth Date: abt 1880
Date of Registration: Jun 1964
Age at Death: 84
Registration District: Kettering
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 485

I'm pretty sure that they are all wrong and have just picked the nearest birth that fits and then all copied the wrong info off each other.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 6 Nov 2013 18:32

Possibly his family in 1881:

PURCELL, William Head Married M 33 1848 Sergt East York Militia Corfu Island, Ionian Islands, Greece
PURCELL, Catherine Wife Married F 32 1849 Jersey, Channel Islands
PURCELL, Catherine L Daughter Single F 7 1874 Gosport, Hampshire
PURCELL, Cecilia M Daughter Single F 6 1875 Gosport, Yorkshire
PURCELL, Thomas M Son Single M 2 1879 Beverley St Johns, Yorkshire
PURCELL, Henry V Son Single M 1 1880 Beverley St Johns, Yorkshire

Piece: 4743 Folio: 108 Page: 5
Registration District: Beverley
Civil Parish: Beverley St John Woodmansey cum Beverely Parks

Address: Victoria Barracks 5th Brigade Depot Beverley, Beverley St John Woodmansey Cum Beverely Parks
County: Yorkshire (East riding)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 6 Nov 2013 18:38

Anna's family 1881:

NIEMANN, John Head Married M 35 1846 Master Tailor (Employing 1 Boy) Germany
NIEMANN, Christine Wife Married F 37 1844 Master Tailors Wife Germany
NIEMANN, John Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar Hull, Yorkshire
NIEMANN, Theodor Son Single M 4 1877 Scholar Hull, Yorkshire
NIEMANN, Earnest Son Single M 2 1879 Hull, Yorkshire
NIEMANN, Anna Daughter Single F 0 1881 Hull, Yorkshire
JOST, Wilm Apprentice Single M 14 1867 Apprentice To Tailor Hull, Yorkshire

Piece: 4774 Folio: 90 Page: 33
Registration District: Hull
Civil Parish: Kingston upon Hull Holy Trinity and St Mary

Address: 131, Porter Street, Kingston Upon Hull Holy Trinity And St Mary
County: Yorkshire (East riding)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 6 Nov 2013 18:43

Anna Dora's probate:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Anna Dora Purcell
Probate Date: 2 Jun 1944
Death Date: 23 Apr 1944
Death Place: Kingston Upon Hull
Registry: Llandudno

Lived 7 Whitby Grove Wheeler Street, Kingston upon Hull. Died the Naval Hospital, 188 Anlaby Road Kingston upon Hull. Admin to Stella Dorothea Brown (wife of Cyril Ashby Brown).
Effects £819 4s 7d

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 7 Nov 2013 13:03

Hello Alana and welcome to the Community Boards. :-)





(I will let Alana know that she has replies to her query) :-)

Alana

Alana Report 11 Nov 2013 17:16

thank you all for the information you have discovered. This has given a lot of discussion with family over the past weekend. If anyone can help with any more information we will be very happy

We cant thank you all enough
Happy hunting now the darker days are here I hope to do more hunting myself

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Nov 2013 22:09

Hello Alana, don't mind looking for more info if you could be more specific about what you're trying to find out and what background info you already have.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Nov 2013 19:54

pm from Alana, she's wanting to research his siblings and the name Brown is difficult to research.

It looks like Stella stayed around the Yorkshire area:

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Stella Dorothea Brown
Birth Date: 15 Apr 1907
Date of Registration: Mar 1994
Age at Death: 86
Registration District: Goole
Inferred County: Lincolnshire, Yorkshire
Register Number: 30D
District and Subdistrict: 5471
Entry number: 98


They married 1940

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005

Name: Stella D Purcell
Spouse : Cyril A Brown
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1940
Registration District: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 440

EDIT: I see Mike had posted this above.

I'm not seeing any births in the Yorkshire area for the surname combinations although there are numerous births outside the area.

You could always buy her death certificate to see who the informant was.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Nov 2013 20:10

I'm not sure if this is the death of Stella's husband:

Registration event: Death

Name: BROWN, Cyril Ashby
Date of death: 4 October 1952
Age: 44
Place of death: At Sea
Place of birth: Hull
Belonging to service:
Ship's name: Norman
Series: BT334 - Registers and Indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths of Passengers and Seamen at Sea
Box: 0110
Page: 2

The image states he lived 8 Holborn Street, Witham, Hull. He was a cook. He was drowned, body recovered.

This link gives info about the wrecking of the Norman 19 men died.
http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?167007

The thing that gives me doubts is this probate:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Cyril Ashby Brown
Probate Date: 28 Apr 1958
Death Date: 4 Oct 1952
Death Place: Kingston Upon Hull
Registry: Yorkshire, England

The address is the same as on the death record and states he died at sea but the widow is Sarah .......