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Mary Jermond/Jarman born 1818 Devon

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Ozibird

Ozibird Report 5 Nov 2013 21:32

I was wondering if Mary fostered these children and they were no relation at all. However that doesn't work with Hannah Rowland/Canham as she's with her parents in earlier censuses.

Ozi

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Nov 2013 21:10

And this is the man who's named in your newspaper cutting. Not seeing any connections.


1851 census transcription details for: Shipley Fields
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2312
Folio: 28
Page: 49
Reg. District: Bradford
Sub District: Shipley and Heaton
Parish:
Enum. District: 1A
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Shipley Fields
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HARGREAVES, Joseph Head Unmarried M 72 1779 Retired Worsted Manufactory
Calverley, Yorkshire
HARGREAVES, Thomas Nephew Unmarried M 38 1813 Worsted Manufacturer
Calverley, Yorkshire
HARGREAVES, George Nephew Unmarried M 36 1815 Worsted Manufacturer
Calverley, Yorkshire
HARGREAVEES, William Nephew Unmarried M 23 1828 Worsted Manufacturer
Calverley, Yorkshire
BARETRIM, Benjamin Servant Widower M 81 1770 Shepherd
Chitham, Northumberland
SCOTT, Mary Servant Married F 46 1805 General Servant
Birstal, Yorkshire
BOWER, Mary Servant Unmarried F 30 1821 General Servant
Rotherham, Yorkshire

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Nov 2013 20:35

Just putting other details down for reference.


1861 census transcription details for: 4, Braddons Terrace West, Tormoham, Torquay
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 1411
Folio: 51
Page: 20
Reg. District: Newton Abbot
Sub District: 6 Torquay
Parish: Tormoham
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, Braddons Terrace West, Tormoham, Torquay
County: Devonshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
JARMAN, Mary Head Widow F 43 1818 Dressmaker
Sherford, Devon
JARMAN, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 14 1847 Scholar
Torquay, Devon
JARMAN, Samuel A Son Unmarried M 10 1851 Scholar
Torquay, Devon
JARMAN, Florence L Daughter Unmarried F 8 1853 Scholar
Torquay, Devon
CROOK, Eliza Lodger Unmarried F 27 1834 Laundress
Stokeinteignhead, Devon



1871 census transcription details for: Clifton Place, Tormoham, Torquay
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 2087
Folio: 92
Page: 51
Reg. District: Newton Abbot
Sub District: Tormoham
Parish: Tormoham
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Clifton Place, Tormoham, Torquay
County: Devonshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
JARMAN, Mary Head F 53 1818 Devon
WOODLEY, Elzth Daughter F 24 1847 Devon
JARMAN, Florence L Daughter F 18 1853 Devon
CRAVEN, Willie Boarder M 4 1867 Devon




1891 census transcription details for: 2, Coburg Cottages, Melville Place, Tormoham, Torquay
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 1703
Folio: 92
Page: 27
Reg. District: Newton Abbot
Sub District: Torquay
Parish: Tormoham
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: St Lukes
City/Municipal Borough: Torquay
Address: 2, Coburg Cottages, Melville Place, Tormoham, Torquay
County: Devonshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CANHAM, Fredrick Head Married M 32 1859 Groom
Occold, Suffolk
CANHAM, Hannah R Wife Married F 35 1856
Torquay, Devonshire
CANHAM, Violet S Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar
Torquay, Devonshire
CANHAM, Mabel P Daughter F 2 1889
Torquay, Devonshire
JARMAN, Mary Mother Widow F 73 1818
Torquay, Devonshire


This appears to be their marriage so why is Mary described as 'mother?'


CANHAM, Frederick
Registration district: Faversham
County: Kent
Year of registration: 1881
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 1262

Name: ROWLAND, Hannah Rebecca

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 4 Nov 2013 19:47

What about the Beer- Jarman relationship? Is that a possibility?

Ozi

Deirdre

Deirdre Report 4 Nov 2013 16:28

Thank you for your replies. William Craven is in fact my grandfather. I do have some of the information that you have sent me. I still do not know who his parents were ie my great grandparents. William's marriage certificate states his father as George Hargreaves Craven (gentleman) - no other information. I have been unable to find a birth certificate for William. I do have a newspaper cutting from a family scrapbook, which makes it more complicated. The newspaper is about the death of a worsted manufacturer near Bradford, George Hargreaves in 1895 (aged 81) - is he a relative?.

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Nov 2013 14:45

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1891 census transcription details for: New Comin Road, St Petrox, Dartmouth
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 1710
Folio: 31
Page: 21
Reg. District: Totnes
Sub District: Dartmouth
Parish: St Petrox
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: St Petrox
City/Municipal Borough: Dartmouth
Address: New Comin Road, St Petrox, Dartmouth
County: Devonshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
VEALE, Thomas Head Married M 45 1846 Retired Outfitter
Dartmouth, Devonshire
VEALE, Florence L Wife F 38 1853 Retired Schoolmistress
Torquay, Devonshire
VEALE, Florence F C Daughter F 1 (12M) 1890
Dartmouth, Devonshire
CRAVEN, Willie Visitor Single M 24 1867 Living On His Own Means
Torquay, Devonshire

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Nov 2013 14:43

1911 census transcription details for: 37 Sheendale Road
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN3597 RG78PN135 RD41 SD1 ED17 SN239
Reg. District: Richmond
Sub District: Richmond
Parish: Richmond
Enum. District: 17
Address: 37 Sheendale Road
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
CRAVEN, William Head Married M 43 1868 Traveller Coal Devon Torquay
CRAVEN, Emily Wife Married
18 years F 37 1874 Surrey Putney
CRAVEN, Eleanor Daughter Single F 17 1894 Surrey Putney
CRAVEN, Leonard Son Single M 15 1896 School Surrey Putney
CRAVEN, Dorothy Daughter F 11 1900 School Surrey Richmond
CRAVEN, Winifred Daughter F 11 1900 School Surrey Richmond
CRAVEN, Elsie Daughter F 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Surrey Richmond



1901 census transcription details for: 126, Lower Mortlake Road, Richmond
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 676
Folio: 42
Page: 3
Reg. District: Richmond
Sub District: Richmond
Parish: Richmond
Enum. District: 21
Ecclesiastical District: Holy Trinity
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 126, Lower Mortlake Road, Richmond
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CRAVEN, William Head Married M 34 1867 Tobacconist & Confectioner
Torquay, Devonshire
CRAVEN, Emily Wife Married F 30 1871
Putney, London
CRAVEN, Eleanor M Daughter F 7 1894
Putney, London
CRAVEN, William L Son M 5 1896
Putney, London
CRAVEN, Dorothy E Daughter F 1 1900
Richmond, Surrey
CRAVEN, Winifred B Daughter F 1 1900
Richmond, Surrey
NEW, Alice Servant Single F 21 1880 Servant (Domestic)
Richmond, Surrey

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Nov 2013 14:40

For reference.



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about William Craven
Name: William Craven, gentleman of Montrose. Santos Rd
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Age: 25
Spouse Name: Emily Foster, same address
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Aug 1892
Parish: Putney St Stephen's Mission Church
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: George Hargreaves Craven, gentleman
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Foster, builder
Register Type: Parish Register


Samuel and Elinor Foster were witnesses.

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 3 Nov 2013 21:02

And how about this?

1851 England Census
Name: William C Jarman
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Nephew
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Torquay, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Totnes
Town: Totnes
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: Fore Street
Registration District: Totnes
Sub-registration District: Totnes
Piece: 1874
Folio: 34
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
George Beer 35 - Grocer
Mary A Beer 30
Fanny N Beer 6
William G Beer 8
Alfred L Beer 5
Mary M Beer 1
William C Jarman 9

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 3 Nov 2013 20:41

As she's a widow in 1861, I guess this is a possibility.

Deaths Jun 1858 Jarman William Newton Abbot 5b 109

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 3 Nov 2013 20:19

However this is worth following up.

1851 England Census
Name: Mary Jarman
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Wife
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Sherford, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Tormoham
Town: Torquay
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Higher Bannons Row
Occupation: Mariner's Wife
Registration District: Newton Abbot
Sub-registration District: Torquay
Piece: 1872
Folio: 183
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Jarman 33
Elizabeth Jarman 4
Samuel Jarman 3 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< on image is 3 months.

Births Mar 1851 Jarman Samuel Beer Newton Abbot 10 177

Therefore,
Marriages Mar 1839
BEER Mary Newton Abbot 10 248 <<<<<<<<<<
CHEESEWORTH Jane Newton Abbot 10 248
HURREL Henry Newton Abbot 10 248
Jarman William Newton Abbot 10 248 <<<<<<<<<<<<
MADGE Grace Newton Abbot 10 248
SOPER John Newton Abbot 10 248
Tozer Sophia Newton Abbot 10 248
TULLY William Charlton Newton Abbot 10 248

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 3 Nov 2013 20:15

Doesn't look like anybody is having any luck. As far as who she was married to, buying one of the children's birth certificates will give you that.
Births Dec 1846 Jarman Elizabeth Newton Abbot 10 175
Births Mar 1853 Jarman Florence Louisa N. Abbot 5b 145

And getting William's birth cert may help with his parents.

Deirdre

Deirdre Report 3 Nov 2013 19:43

I searching for information on Mary Jermond/Jarman and her husband. Who was her husband? Did she or her daughter have an illegitimate son William Craven/Craner born 1867 who lived with them until 1892 when he married Emily Foster in Wandsworth. Who was Williams real father? Was he baptised in Devon?