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Hi Louisa Richards born 1880 Sedgley was married to Alfred simpson born 1880 Wolverhampton and on 1901 census she was living Coventry St Wolverhampton with their son Alfred aged 1. BUT 1911 census Alfred who was a fishmonger is living 57 Pond Lane Wolverhampton with a Frances Simpson listed as his wife and children Sarah E Simpson born 1894 Samuel E Simpson born 1896 Albert 1901 William born 1904 and Elizabeth 1906. I cannot find a death for Louisa or a marriage for Frances and Alfred. I did find a birth for a Samuel Elijah Evans 1896 in Wolverhampton though so wondering if Frances was married to a man if surname Evans before?? Can anyone help?? Cant find Louisa on 1911 census anywhere either!!

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1911

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Reg. District: Bury
Sub District: North Bury
Parish: Bury
Enum. District: 6
Address: 144 Walmersley Road Bury Lancashire
County: Lancashire


FLETCHER, Lambert Head Married M 76 1835 Letterpress Printer Lancshire Bury
FLETCHER, Maria Gilling Wife Married
50 years F 73 1838 Lancshire Bury
FLETCHER, Sarah Alice Daughter Single F 36 1875 Lancshire Bury
FLETCHER, Alice Maud Grand - Daughter Single F 24 1887 Assistant Mistress Lancshire Bury
FLETCHER, Margaret Alice Grand - Daughter F 6 1905 Lancshire Bury
>>>>>>SIMPSON, Louisia Servant Married
12 years F 33 1878 Sedgley Staffordshire

4 children born and still living

Hmm wonder if that is her ? suppose its possible she just left and he took up with Frances!

More likely that he abandoned her, and she had to go to work to support herself

In 1901 Alfred and Louisa only have one child, Alfred. So the two older ones in 1911 (Sarah and Samuel) may be from Frances's previous relationship. It also says (against Frances) married 18 years, 7 children born 6 living one had died. Maybe she is including the same 4 children that Louisa is claiming in 1911?

For INFO

1911 census


Person: SIMPSON, Alfred Address: 57 Pond Lane Wolverhampton

SIMPSON, Alfred Head Married M 31 1880 Fish Salesman Staffs Wolverhampton VIEW
SIMPSON, Frances Wife Married18 years F 34 1877 Staffs Wolverhampton VIEW
SIMPSON, Sarah E Daughter Single F 17 1894 Domestic Staffs Wolverhampton VIEW
SIMPSON, Samuel E Son Single M 15 1896 Office Boy Staffs Wolverhampton VIEW
SIMPSON, Alfred Son M 11 1900 School Staffs Wolverhampton VIEW
SIMPSON, Albert Son M 9 1902 Staffs Wolverhampton VIEW
SIMPSON, William Son M 7 1904 Staffs Wolverhampton VIEW
SIMPSON, Elizabeth Daughter F 7 1904 Staffs Wolverhampton

Frances says she has been married for 18 years...............

Have you tried looking for the marriage?

The birth you found was in OND 1896.......................about a year too late to be the boy on the 1911 census

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1901

Name: Sarah E Guest
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Samuel Guest
Mother's Name: Francis Guest
Gender: Female
Where born: Heath, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 103 Inkerman Street


Registration District: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration District: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 94
Piece: 2680
Folio: 91
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Guest 30 Tin Plate Worker
Francis Guest 26
Sarah E Guest 8
Samuel Guest 6
Francis A Guest 2 Months



So little Frances was the child that had died.

Births Mar 1901
Guest Frances Alice Wolverhampton 6b 623

Deaths Mar 1902 Guest Frances Alice 1 Wolverhampton 6b 394

Frances probably wasn't free to marry.........

1911

Name: Samuel Guest
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Darlaston, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Darlaston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 7 Beard Street, The Green, Darlaston
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Forge Mill Hand
Registration District: Walsall
Registration District Number: 370
Sub-registration District: Darlaston
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household Schedule Number: 264
Piece: 17137
Household Members:
Name Age
Herbert Twigger 45
Jane Twigger 58
Joseph Parkes 60
Samuel Guest 40
Louisa Horne 74

Births Sep 1892 Guest Sarah Ellen Wolverhampton 6b 641

Births Dec 1902 GUEST Sarah Evelyn Wolverhampton 6b 692

Births Dec 1894 Guest Samuel Enoch Wolverhampton 6b 589

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Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
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Simpson John Guest Wolverhampton 6b 1072

Sorry for delay in getting back to you. Thanks for that it is really appreciated!!

Baptism
County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church Holy Trinity (Heath Town)
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 06 Jul 1892
Forename Sarah Ellen
Sex F
FatherForename Samuel
MotherForename Frances Agnes
FatherSurname GUEST
MotherSurname
Abode Prestwood Road
FatherOccupation Roller

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Chris :)

Still cannot find a marriage for a Samuel Guest and a Frances anywhere! Maybe they did not wed??

There is a birth for a Frances Agnes Atkins March 1875 Wycombe I am wondering if that is her but on 1901 census living with Samuel Guest she says she was born great Marlowe Berkshire BUT googling great Marlowe is says it is a civil parish of Wycombe in Buckinghamshire!!! Also cannot find a marriage for Frances Agnes Atkins & Samuel Guest.

I couldn't see a marriage for her to Samuel either but in 1911 he is still stating that he is married.

There is also this birth in Wycombe ( covers Great Marlow)

Births Mar 1876 Burdett Frances Agnes Wycombe 3a 539

Perhaps the only way to find Frances's maiden surname is to buy the birth certificate for one of the Guest children.

County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church Holy Trinity (Heath Town)
RegisterNumber 40756
BurialDate 01 Apr 1902
Forename Frances Alice
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname GUEST
Age
Abode Leslie Road
Notes age was 13 months at death Jas W MORISON
FileNumber 29101



County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church Holy Trinity (Heath Town)
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 23 Jan 1902
Forename Frances Alice
Sex F
FatherForename Samuel Enoch
MotherForename Frances Alice <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
FatherSurname GUEST
MotherSurname
Abode Leslie Road
FatherOccupation Tin plate worker
Notes
FileNumber 29118

That's strange it says mother Frances Alice as on their daughter Sarahs baptism it says mother Frances Agnes?

I did notice that and also I can't see a birth for a Samuel Enoch Guest.

Still think the only way to get a maiden surname for Frances is to buy one of her children's birth certificate.