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31 Oct 2013 14:18 |
Emily Jane Molcher born 1867 Dunstable Bedfordshire. Help Please
This has me completely stumped I’m having a problem finding Emily Jane or any of her family from her birth in 1867,until she married in 1893 that is , I can’t find anything for 1871, 81, & 91 census on her or anything on her parents. I realise there could be a transcription error, but I’ve searched just using Christian names etc etc Surname variations etc etc.
I wondered if someone could please have a look to see if I have overlooked anything. Any assistance much appreciated
Backgound info
Emily Jane born 20 December 1867, Cross Street Dunstable., on her birth certificate her father is named as Joseph Molcher occupation Sawyer. Mother is Emily Molcher nee Butcher.
On 30 January 1893 she married one of my ancestors a George Henry Drury born 1868 Gloucester, at St Philips Church Battersea, occupation Railway guard, this is on Ancestry London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 her fathers occupation given as Joiner, witnesses on the record are Lizzie Molcher, maybe a relative, and a Frederick Walter Jenkins.
The witness on the marriage cert, Frederick Walter Jenkins, on the 1891 census he was living at 67 Sabine road Battersea, which is the address given on the marriage record of Emily & George. I don’t think he has any connection to George or Emily. I have found a marriage of a Joseph MOLSHER to a Emily Butcher in 1846 Woburn Beds. which maybe Emily’s parents but I cant be totally sure. I know I could buy the cert. but might not give me anymore info than I already have
Please note I have all the details of Emily & George after they married, so no need to search for that info.
Many thanks
George
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31 Oct 2013 14:35 |
A very long shot but Joseph is a Sawyer and the address is 5 Cross st:
1871 England Census Name:Emily Clark Age:3 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1868 Relation:Daughter Father's Name:Joseph Clark Mother's Name:Emma Clark Where born:Dunstable, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish:Dunstable
Joseph Clark 42 Emma Clark 39 George Clark 21 Elizabeth Clark 17 Emily Clark 3 Walter Chapman 24 There is a very large gap in the children's ages.
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31 Oct 2013 14:38 |
FMP has an entry on 1851 for Joseph MALCHER b1828 living in Woburn
Sorry do not have sub to FMP
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31 Oct 2013 14:39 |
No Rule that one out as wife is Amelia. Joseph is an ag lab
BUT there is a Sarah Butcher listed in the household
1851 Class: HO107; Piece: 1755; Folio: 35; Page: 30; GSU roll: 87683-87684.
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31 Oct 2013 14:42 |
Potty
Gosh that sounds interesting, I wonder then if for some reason they changed their name.
I will pursue that in the later census records to see if it shows any further clues.
Much obliged for your help
George
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31 Oct 2013 14:42 |
Joseph's POB is given as Newport Pagnell, Bucks - which isn't that far from Woburn, where Joseph and Emily married - I think I would get that marriage cert if only to find out his father's name.
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31 Oct 2013 14:43 |
1851 Heath, Aspley Guise
WEBB, Isaac Head Married M 56 1795 Ag Lab Leighton, Bedfordshire WEBB, Ann Wife Married F 55 1796 Lacemaker Ecton, Northamptonshire WEBB, John Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Ag Lab Aspley, Bedfordshire BUTCHER, Sarah Daughter-In-Law Unmarried F 18 1833 Lace Maker Wavendon, Buckinghamshire MALCHER, Joseph Son-In-Law Lodger M 23 1828 Ag Lab Newport, Buckinghamshire MALCHER, Amelia Daughter Lodger F 22 1829 Lacemaker Wavendon, Buckinghamshire MALCHER, George Grand Son Lodger M 0 (5 MOS) 1851 Aspley, Bedfordshire
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31 Oct 2013 14:45 |
Glitter Baby
Yes I did see that one you mention, I also ruled it out
Thank you
George
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31 Oct 2013 14:51 |
George, the same family is on the 1881 census - Emily is transcribed as Emily A but it could be a J.
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31 Oct 2013 14:54 |
Possible for the George in the 1871
Births Dec 1850 (>99%) Malsher George Woburn 6 132
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31 Oct 2013 14:57 |
1911 - 5 Cross Street
RG14PN8986 RG78PN478 RD178 SD1 ED2 SN130 Reg. District: Luton Sub District: Dunstable Parish: Dunstable Enum. District: 2 Address: 5 Cross St Dunstable County: Bedfordshire
NORTHWOOD, Elizabeth Head Widow F 56 1855 Straw Hat Machinist Bucks Woburn Sands >>>>>MOLSHER, Emily Mother Widow F 82 1829 Bucks Wavendon >>>>>MOLSHER, Frederick William Son M 31 1880 Engineers Storekeeper Beds Dunstable CHESHIRE, Charles M 31 1880 Police Constable Beds Meppershall SETCHELL, George Frederick M 23 1888 Police Constable Beds Bedford
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31 Oct 2013 14:59 |
This may not be connected but I was looking for a possible marriage for Emily's sister who was a witness at the wedding.
Marriages Mar 1902 Edwards Rose Luton 3b 718 Freeman Thomas Luton 3b 718 Molcher Elizabeth Luton 3b 718 Northwood Alfred Luton 3b 718
which led me to this
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Name: Elizabeth Northwood Age in 1911: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Woburn Sands, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Dunstable County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Street Address: 5 Cross St, Dunstable, Bedfordshire Marital Status: Widow Occupation: Straw Hat Machinist Registration District: Luton Registration District Number: 178 Sub-registration District: Dunstable ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household Schedule Number: 130 Piece: 8986 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Northwood 56, Head, Widow, Straw Hat Machinist Emily Molsher 82, Mother, Widow, b. Bucks, Wavenden Frederick William Molsher 31, Son, Engineer's Store Keeper, b. Dunstable Charles Cheshire 31 George Frederick Setchell 23
The last two are Police Constables - no relation given to Head of Household.
Deaths Dec 1902 Northwood Alfred 56 Luton 3b 253
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31 Oct 2013 15:02 |
The same Clark family are on the 1891 - it is definitely Emily J on that image and living next door is a George Molcher, 39, Sawyer, born Woburn Sands.
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31 Oct 2013 15:06 |
Choccy, there is a Frederick William Clark at Cross street on the 1881 and 1891 censuses - it really does look as if there was a name change.
Have to go now - will look in later to see what George thinks.
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31 Oct 2013 15:06 |
1881
RG number RG11 Piece: 1646 Folio: 56 Page: 22 Reg. District: Luton Sub District: Dunstable Parish: Dunstable Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 5, Cross St, Dunstable County: Bedfordshire
CLARK, Joseph Head Married M 52 1829 Sawyer Newport Pagnall, Buckinghamshire CLARK, Emma Wife Married F 47 1834 Wavendon, Buckinghamshire CLARK, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 24 1857 Hat Sewer Woburn Sands, Bedfordshire CLARK, Emily A Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar Dunstable, Bedfordshire CLARK, Frederick W Son Single M 1 1880 Dunstable, Bedfordshire
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31 Oct 2013 15:08 |
That 1911 census leads back to that Clark family?
1891
Name: Frederick Clark Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation: Son Father's Name: Joseph Clark Mother's Name: Emma Clark Gender: Male Where born: Dunstable, Bedfordshire, England Civil Parish: Dunstable Ecclesiastical parish: Dunstable Town: Dunstable County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Street Address: 7 Cross Street
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Luton Sub-registration District: Dunstable ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1269 Folio: 49 Page Number: 20 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Clark 64 Sawyer Emma Clark 60 Elizabeth Clark 39 Daughter, Straw Hat Machinist <<<<<< Emily J Clark 22 Frederick Clark 11
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31 Oct 2013 15:18 |
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Fredrick William Mulcher
Probate Date: 6 May 1954
Death Date: 11 Apr 1954
Death Place: Bedfordshire, England
Registry: London, England
of 9 Cross Street, West Dunstable Probate to Lillian Alice Mulcher widow £1018 5s 6d
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31 Oct 2013 15:31 |
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Deaths Mar 1903 Moulcher Joseph 74 Luton 3b 252
Marriages Jun 1915 Cheshire Lilian A Mulcher Luton 3b 1135 Mulcher Frederick W Cheshire Luton 3b 1135
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31 Oct 2013 15:36 |
Name: Lilian Alice Mulcher Probate Date: 18 Dec 1956 Death Date: 22 Nov 1956 Death Place: Bedfordshire, England Registry: London, England
of 9 Cross Street probate to Leonard Charles Stokes capstan setter operator and Leslie John Stokes chargehand. Effects £931. 13s. 3d.
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31 Oct 2013 15:42 |
Name: Elizabeth Northwood Probate Date: 7 Jan 1937 Death Date: 13 Dec 1936 Death Place: Bedfordshire, England Registry: London, England
Elizabeth Northwood of 9 Cross Street, Dunstable, widow. Probate to Frederick William Mulcher, dispatch clerk Effects £374. 14s. 5d.
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