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My Great Grandad was Charles Turner Husband of Mary Ann Nailer. Her father Thomas was the beerkeeper of the Gardeners Arms at 57 The Street Crowmarsh Gifford which is now commercial offices

My Great Grandad was Charles Turner born 1845 died 1883 and was married to Mary Ann Nailer/Nailor I have some information if anyone needs it. Feel free to ask

Thanks Beejay, sorry to keep you waitng but I was called away for the lunch break


The descendants family is now established as coming from Thomas and Harriet (starting in Bucklebury before moving to Crowmarsh) but thanks for the info on family with Hannah as mother as it establishes that there are two similar named families in fairly close proximity.
I am continuously extending a GenoPro tree trying to make sure I only add the correct ones. Having several generations and full families on the screen all at the same time makes it much easier to follow.

Christenings for the Turner children, again St Mary Magdalene Crowmarsh

29 Aug 1869 Arthur
16 Oct 1870 Charles
12 May 1872 Ada
10 May 1874 Annie
30 June 1874 Alice Constance
17 Sept 1876 John Thomas
30 March 1883 Charles Henry aged 2 christened privately father deceased
6 May 1883 Ernest Frederick & Eliza Louise (twins) father deceased

Charles (their father) was buried at the same church on 19 March 1883 aged 36

Marriage

29 Dec 1894
Edward Allnatt age 31 a platelayer from Cholsey to Annie Turner age 21 a servant
Witnesses Annie Blissett & William Brooks
Fathers William Allnatt a platelayer and Charles Turner a labourer

It seems that Mary Ann married again, but she gives a different father, see what you think

12 Dec 1891
Edward Blissett f/a widower a thatcher to Mary Anne Turner f/a a widow
Witnesses Ada Turner & Catherine Swington
Fathers Moses Blissett- labourer & William Nailer - gardener

Can you just confirm that we're now looking for Mary Ann as the daughter of Thomas & Hannah

hope it helps
:-)

Thanks Maddie, that is the one I was after and although both fathers are Thomas at least the mothers are marginally different - Hannah versus Harriot !!!!

Name: Thomas Nayler
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Hannah Lailey
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 1824
Event Place: Bucklebury, Berkshire, England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M15525-2
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1279453
Reference ID: 2:2C82HBK

here she is in 1851

1851 England Census about Mary Ann Lailer
Name: Mary Ann Lailer
[Mary Ann Nailer]
[Mary Ann Nailer]
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Lailer
Mother's Name: Hannah Lailer
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Cromarsh, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Crowmarsh Gifford
Ecclesiastical parish: Oxford
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration District: Wallingford
Sub-registration District: Cholsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 28
Piece: 1690
Folio: 435
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Lailer 51
Hannah Lailer 46
Elizabeth Lailer 26
Lucy Lailer 24
Edwin Lailer 7
Mary Ann Lailer 1
Robert Speare 31

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is this the one you have asked for in 1891 ??
TURNER, Mary A Head Widow F 39 1852 Charwoman
Crowmarsh-Gifford, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, Arthur Son Single M 20 1871 Agricultural Labourer
Crowmarsh-Gifford, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, Annie Daughter Single F 18 1873 Domestic Servant General
Crowmarsh-Gifford, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, John T Son Single M 13 1878 Carter Boy To Agriculturist
Crowmarsh-Gifford, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, Mary K Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Wallingford, Berkshire VIEW
TURNER, Charles H Son M 10 1881 Scholar
Benson, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, Ernest F Son M 8 1883 Scholar
Crowmarsh-Gifford, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, Elizabeth L Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Crowmarsh-Gifford, Oxfordshire VIEW

Piece: 986

Folio: 138

Page: 8

Registration District: Wallingford

Civil Parish: Crowmarsh Gifford

Municipal Borough: Wallingford

Address: Crowmarsh Street, Crowmarsh Gifford, Crowmarsh-Gifford, Wallingford

County: Berkshire
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Thanks Beejay, that Thomas Nailer is who Charles and Mary Ann, with the children Arthur and Charles, are living with in the 1871 and Thomas says he comes from Bucklebury!
It seems like all yesterday's contributions on Nailers are the correct family.
I think I need a strong coffee now to celebrate the outcome.
The 1851 census for

Births Dec 1849
NAILER Mary Ann Wallingford
6 263

being somebody entirely different would seal it good and proper?

That's OK Frances, in the meantime I've found this marriage

St Mary Magdalene Crowmarsh

17 May 1869

Charles Turner f/a labourer otp to Mary Ann Nailer minor otp
Witnesses Sarah Blissett & Henry Wadley
Fathers John Turner - labourer & Thomas Nailer - beer & shopkeeper

Thanks Beejay. I have been so busy typing I did not realise you had posted.

The Turner/Nailer families are still being a headache.....

I have the 1881 census from Family Search

1881 Census
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Charles Turner
M 35 Witney, Oxfordshire, England
Wife Mary A Turner
F 30 Crownarsh, Oxfordshire, England
Son Arthur Turner M 11 Crownarsh, Oxfordshire, England
Daughter Ada Turner
F 9 Crownarsh, Oxfordshire, England
Daughter Annie Turner
F 7 Crownarsh, Oxfordshire, England
Daughter Alice C Turner
F 6 Crownarsh, Oxfordshire, England
Son John Turner
M 4 Crownarsh, Oxfordshire, England
Daughter Katey Turner
F 2 Wallingford, Oxfordshire, England
Address: Benson Aka, Bensington (Oxon),


But I cannot see any sign of them in 1891. Mary Ann is saying she is from Crowmarsh rather than Bucklebury and I am hoping to determine which is correct.

At least I still have the 1869 marriage to fall back on - just need the certificate.

Marriages Jun 1869
TURNER Charles Wallingford
2c 491

Nailer Maryanne Wallingford
2c 491

Can anybody see the family 'hiding somehow' in 1891 please?

Many thanks
Frances

From the Berkshire Christenings Database

Christenings at St Mary The Virgin Bucklebury, children of Thomas (labourer) & Harriet Nailor

10 March 1844 Amos
28 July 1850 Mary Ann
17 Oct 1852 Charlotte born 18 Feb
5 Nov 1855 Jane privately born 30 Oct

Burials at Bucklebury

8 Nov 1855 Jane 5 days
25 Feb 1879 Thomas age 71

This may or may not be your Thomas the father. I can't find any marriages for your Nailors on the Berkshire marriage database so will look in Wallingford for you. There may be more christenings either in Bucklebury or elsewhere which weren't apparent when looking on the disc so shall go back and have another look for you

Maddie I have looked for May Ann in Oxfordshire and Berkshire in FreeBMD and both counties give the same!

Births Dec 1849
NAILER Mary Ann Wallingford
6 263

and in the 1881 when she is married she gives Crowmarsh as her place of birth.

The plot thickens.....

ivil registration event: Birth
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Name: NAILOR, Mary Ann

Registration district: [?] Bradfield

County: Berkshire

Year of registration: 1850

Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar

Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3

Volume no:[?]VI

Page no:[?]169

Thank you Stuart, there being more than one family would help explain the anomalies

1841 census shows rounded down ages for the over 15's, so Harriett could have been 25-29 years of age. Make her 29 and then 40 and 50 in 1851 and 1861 make sense.

Maddie appears to have removed her contribution. Looking at census and family search, there are several Nailer/Nailor's in the area - probably brothers/cousins who have named their children similarly

sorry removed my posting as mary ann seems to have been registered in Bradfield Berks, close to Buckleberry
maddie

Thank you Stuart and Maddie, of course the 1841 dates make the family seem odd and Harriot a very young mother and Lucy's details in 1851 are a bit strange. Needs some more head scratching....