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Asiyah
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29 Oct 2013 11:15 |
Edward Williams 1905. born Nipissing Ontario Canada. mother Fanny Eleanor Metcalfe. Father Frederick Williams sister Violet Williams 1906 also born Nipissing. can find no trace of them at all, in need of help please. Thankyou.
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ErikaH
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29 Oct 2013 11:39 |
Where have you looked?
And what are you hoping for?
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Barry
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29 Oct 2013 11:48 |
There are trees on Ancestry for this family which show that Edward died 31 March 1990 in Mexico ,Audrain, Missouri USA (which seems strange - is Mexico a town in Missouri ?) Also the tree records his parents marriage as 13 Sept 1923 Vancouver !!
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MargaretM
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29 Oct 2013 11:49 |
Your tree on Ancestry says that Frederick Williams married Fanny Eleanor Metcalfe 13 Sep. 1923 but their children were born 1904, 1905 and 1906.
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Andrew
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29 Oct 2013 11:50 |
For ref
Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913 about Violet Williams
Name:Violet Williams Date of Birth:6 Aug 1906 Gender:Female Birth County or District:Nipissing Father's Name:Fred Williams Mother's Name:Fannie Eleanor Metcalf Archive Name:Archives of Ontario Archive Series:MS929 Archive Reel:180 Andy
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MargaretM
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29 Oct 2013 11:51 |
Barry, there is a town in New York State named Mexico so I presume other states have a town with that name.
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Barry
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29 Oct 2013 11:54 |
I didn't notice that one of the Ancestry trees belonged to the poster - she said she had no trace of them at all - I think we are just wasting our time sometimes
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MargaretM
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29 Oct 2013 12:29 |
029841-05 (Nipissing Dist) WILLIAMS, Edward, m, b. July 10, 1905, father – Frederick WILLIAMS, carpenter, mother – Fanny Eleanor METCALFE, infm – Fanny E. Williams, New Liskeard
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alviegal
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29 Oct 2013 16:13 |
You obviously have this.
U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-Current about Edward Williams Name: Edward Williams SSN: 494-05-6435 Last Residence: 65265 Mexico, Audrain, Missouri, USA Born: 10 Jul 1905 Died: 31 Mar 1990 State (Year) SSN issued: Missouri (Before 1951)
Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913 about Edward Williams Name: Edward Williams Date of Birth: 10 Jul 1905 Gender: Male Birth County or District: Nipissing Father's Name: Frederic Williams Mother's Name: Fanny Eleanor Mitcalfe Archive Name: Archives of Ontario Archive Series: MS929 Archive Reel: 174
British Columbia, Canada, Marriage Index, 1872-1935 about Fanny Eleanor Metcalf Name: Fanny Eleanor Metcalf Gender: Female Spouse Name: Fredrick Williams Spouse Gender: Male Marriage Date: 13 Sep 1923 Marriage Location: Vancouver Registration number: 1923-09-260295 BCA Number: B13745 GSU Number: 2074227
with a comment added.
on this original marriage certificate. parents of fanny eleanor metcalf-bride, john David metcalf, mary ellen watkins.fanny has put her age 10 yrs younger!
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ArgyllGran
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29 Oct 2013 16:19 |
???
Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980 about Violet Williams Name: Violet Williams Location: Renfrew; Nipissing, Ontario Occupation: Hswf Electoral District: Renfrew North-Nipissing East Year: 1974
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mgnv
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29 Oct 2013 17:23 |
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/images/getimage/genealogy/screensize/00349ccc-06f9-43f1-a452-1956da4a1945 for m.cert
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MargaretM
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29 Oct 2013 20:27 |
So, according to mgnv's find, Frederick Williams was born 1875, Leicestershire, parents Frederick Williams & Emma Watson and Fanny was born 1881, Yorkshire, parents John David Metcalf & Mary Ellen Watkins.
Wonder why they waited until 1923 to get married when they were having children 1904/5/6?
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alviegal
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29 Oct 2013 20:47 |
John David's probate.
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about John David Metcalf Name: John David Metcalf Probate Date: 20 Jan 1893 Death Date: 2 Mar 1873 Death Place: Monmouthshire, Wales Registry: London, England
He was a pilot who died at sea off Ilfracombe, Devon. He left money to George, his son who was a seaman and to Fanny Eleanor, spinster Effects £319 15s 10d.
Maybe why Fanny went to Canada?
1871 census transcription details for: Albion Street, St Woollos, Newport Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 5347 Folio: 15 Page: 24 Reg. District: Newport Sub District: Newport Parish: St Woollos Enum. District: 22 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Newport Address: Albion Street, St Woollos, Newport County: Monmouthshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born METCALF, John D Head pilot seaman M 29 1842 Yorkshire METCALF, Mary Ellen Wife F 24 1847 Monmouthshire METCALF, George Son M 7 1864 Monmouthshire
and Mary E remarried.
1881 census transcription details for: 56, Capel Street, St Woollos Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 5264 Folio: 115 Page: 44 Reg. District: Newport Sub District: Newport Parish: St Woollos Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 56, Capel Street, St Woollos County: Monmouthshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born JONES, Edward B Head Married M 37 1844 Shipbrokers Clerk Newport, Monmouthshire JONES, Mary E Wife Married F 33 1848 Monmouth, Monmouthshire METCALF, George Stepson Single M 11 1870 Scholar Newport, Monmouthshire >>METCALF, Fanny Stepdaughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar Newport, Monmouthshire JONES, Jessie Daughter Single F 2 1879 Scholar Newport, Monmouthshire JONES, Florence A Daughter Single F 1 1880 Newport, Monmouthshire BOARD, Sarah Boarder Married F 66 1815 Annuitant Newport, Monmouthshire BOARD, Charles Boarder Single M 21 1860 Shipwright Newport, Monmouthshire
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alviegal
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29 Oct 2013 20:59 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Fanny Eleanor Metcalf Name: Fanny Eleanor Metcalf Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1871 Registration District: Newport Inferred County: Monmouthshire Volume: 11a Page: 188
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rootgatherer
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29 Oct 2013 21:14 |
1871
Name: John D Metcalf Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Ellen Metcalf Gender: Male Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: St Woollos Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Newport County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Registration District: Newport Sub-registration District: Newport ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Household Schedule Number: 119 Piece: 5347 Folio: 15 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age John D Metcalf 29 Mary Ellen Metcalf 24 George Metcalf 7
Something not right about that probate. It would seem from that that John David died about 7 years before Fanny Eleanor's birth?
She gave her age as 42 when she married in 1923.
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MargaretM
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29 Oct 2013 22:53 |
Very curious! He does seem to have died in 1873 but how could he mention a daughter in his will who wasn't born until 1881?
Deaths Mar 1873 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Metcalf John David 30 Bideford 5b 384
Edit: But then again Alviegal posted a birth of Fanny Eleanor in 1871.
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MargaretM
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29 Oct 2013 23:46 |
Mary Ellen's 2nd. marriage:
Marriages Mar 1877 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jones Edward Borrodale Newport Mon 11a 210 Metcalf Mary Ellen Newport, M. 11a 210
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Asiyah
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30 Oct 2013 10:03 |
Thankyou to all who replied, I am amazed! When I said I do not know what happened to them ,I meant I hit a brick wall. found births of Edward Williams 1905, Violet 1906 Nipissing Ontario then they all vanish . Not sure if the Edward Williams in Audrain New Mexico USA is the same Edward. The 1923 marriage cert of Fanny And Frederick----Fanny has put herself as 10 yrs younger for sure. She was born 1871 Newport, Wales. father John David Metcalfe.Mother Mary Ellen Watkins----That's correct. I can not find the birth of Fredrick Williams 1875 Leicestershire England, father Frederick Williams/ mother Emma Watson. NO idea where Fanny went and why she did not marry for the first time till 1923. I do know she had my grandfather 1904 17th June, Newcastle, Frederick Metcalfe , then gave him away, ? because she had 2 other children and ? where was father Frederick Williams. Thankyou for all who replied, all info posted is correct.Thankyou for your time. I am trying to fill in the gap 1906 -----1923. and cannot find deaths or remarriages.
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