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Thanks Reggie. If this is my Charles why on earth does he have to invent Witney and Standlakes for his birth place.
This family to give me much grief!

If he knew his father, the name will be on the marriage cert

For INFO

1881 census

Person: TURNER, Charles Address: ?, Benson Aka Bensington (Oxon)

TURNER, Charles Head Married M 35 1846 Ag Lab
Witney, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, Mary A Wife Married F 30 1851
Crownarsh, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, Arthur Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
Crownarsh, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, Ada Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Crownarsh, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, Annie Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Crownarsh, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, Alice C Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Crownarsh, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, John Son Single M 4 1877
Crownarsh, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, Katey Daughter Single F 2 1879
Wallingford, Oxfordshire

As there were no penalties until 1875 for not registering births, no surprise that you can't see a record on freebmd

Have you thought of looking for a baptism?

As I already have this thread going on Turners I will try an ask for my earliest ancestor Charles who in 1881 census says he is 35 from Witney but in 1871 he gives Standlake, which is a village just south of Witney.
I cannot see an appropriate Birth entry in FreeBMD c.1846 but can anybody see him inthe 1851 census in this area. His later marriage is :-

Marriages Jun 1869
TURNER Charles Wallingford
2c 491

Nailer Maryanne Wallingford
2c 491

Many thanks,
Frances

Thank you Catherine for all your info. Sorry I have only just come back but it seemed to go quiet after Reggie's input and I was lucky with the 1911 to find all the chidren from Maud onwards to be in a home. FreeBMD puts Bessie as born 1904 so I think Catherine dying in 1905 was not a childbirth incident. I intend to suggest to the descendant that she obtains the death certificate for clarification.

Arthur 40 in 1911 means he has lost a couple of years from his birth in 1869 but of course it may have been the Seymours that gave the enumerator the info...

Arthur in 1911?

SEYMOUR, David Head Married M 70 1841 Domestic Groom Bury Lane Abington VIEW
SEYMOUR, Ann Wife Married46 years F 64 1847 Charwoman Burcott Oxfordshire VIEW
SEYMOUR, Arthur Son Single M 23 1888 Labourer General Wallingford Berkshire VIEW

TURNER, Arthur Boarder Single M 40 1871 Labourer On Farm Long Crowmarsh Oxfordshire VIEW

TOWNSON, Henry Boarder Married M 28 1883 Baker Journeyman Lower Worton Oxon VIEW

RG number: RG14 Piece: 6517 Reference: RG14PN6517 RG78PN323 RD119 SD2 ED1 SN367 Registration District: Wallingford Sub District: Wallingford Enumeration District: 1 Parish: St Leonard Address: 20 St Leonard Lane Wallingford County: Berkshire

States he is single but, date and place of birth match, and he may have said that to be get a job and hide the fact his children were in a home?

This marriage would go with the 1901 census:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Arthur Turner
Name: Arthur Turner
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1892
Registration District: Wallingford
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 467
Records on Page:
Name
Mary Ann Goodenough
xxxx Catherine Lewington
Francis Rumble
xxxx Arthur Turner
.....................................

You really need to take Reggie's advice and buy the marriage certificate to check father's name and occupation. Without that anything found will be just speculation.

Mother's death:-


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Catherine Turner
Name: Catherine Turner
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1905
Age at Death: 36
Registration District: Wallingford
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 189

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The Bessie in 1911 census was born in 1905 so there may be a connection with the death of Catherine!

This looks as though it may be Alice Elizabeth in 1911?

ROBINSON, Henry Head Widower M 75 1836 Retired Canal Manager Oxford Oxford VIEW
ROBINSON, Edith Helen Daughter Single F 41 1870 Oxford Oxford VIEW
ROBINSON, Mabel Daughter Single F 39 1872 Oxford Oxford VIEW
ROBINSON, Rose Amy Daughter Single F 38 1873 Oxford Oxford VIEW
TURNER, Alice Elizabeth Servant Single F 15 1896 General Servant Domestic Oxford Dorchester VIEW

RG number: RG14 Piece: 6528 Reference: RG14PN6528 RG78PN323 RD119 SD2 ED12 SN108 Registration District: Wallingford Sub District: Wallingford Enumeration District: 12 Parish: Dorchester Address: Beech House Dorchester Wallinford County: Berkshire

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and Maud looks to be in hospital in 1911:-

TURNER, Maud Patient F 13 1898 Crowmarsh Oxon VIEW

RG number: RG14 Piece: 6519 Reference: RG14PN6519 RG78PN323 RD119 SD2 ED3 SN19 Registration District: Wallingford Sub District: Wallingford Enumeration District: 3 Parish: Clapcot Address: Clapcot Wallingford County: Berkshire
.............................................

...........and Ellen in 1911?

1911 England Census about Ellen Mary Turner
Name: Ellen Mary Turner
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Crowmarsh Gifford, Oxon, England
Civil Parish: St Peter St Leonard
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 65 High Street, Wallingford
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: General Servant Domestic
Registration District: Wallingford
Registration District Number: 119
Sub-registration District: Wallingford
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household Schedule Number: 27
Piece: 6517
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Percy Carell 53
Ellen Kate Louise Hertman 43
Dorothy Kate Northam 23
Ellen Mary Turner 18

Wonder if this is Florence and Alice in 1911:-

TURNER, Alice Inmate F 12 1899 School Roke Oxon VIEW

RG number: RG14 Piece: 6515 Reference: RG14PN6515 RG78PN322 RD119 SD1 ED8 SN145 Registration District: Wallingford Sub District: Cholsey Enumeration District: 8 Parish: Brightwell Address: Wantage Road Brightwell Wallingford County: Berkshire
.......................................

TURNER, Florence Inmate F 10 1901 School Roke Oxon VIEW

RG number: RG14 Piece: 6515 Reference: RG14PN6515 RG78PN322 RD119 SD1 ED8 SN145 Registration District: Wallingford Sub District: Cholsey Enumeration District: 8 Parish: Brightwell Address: Wantage Road Brightwell Wallingford County: Berkshire
..............................................

There's also a Bessie Turner with them, but she may not be same family?

TURNER, Bessie Inmate F 6 1905 School Roke Oxon VIEW

RG number: RG14 Piece: 6515 Reference: RG14PN6515 RG78PN322 RD119 SD1 ED8 SN145 Registration District: Wallingford Sub District: Cholsey Enumeration District: 8 Parish: Brightwell Address: Wantage Road Brightwell Wallingford County: Berkshire
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There's also a Frederick with correct date and place of birth in the same home:-

TURNER, Frederick Inmate M 9 1902 School Roke Oxon VIEW

RG number: RG14 Piece: 6515 Reference: RG14PN6515 RG78PN322 RD119 SD1 ED8 SN145 Registration District: Wallingford Sub District: Cholsey Enumeration District: 8 Parish: Brightwell Address: Wantage Road Brightwell Wallingford County: Berkshire

.............so if this is the correct family, then looks as though the parents may have died?

Thank you Reggie, that looks most hopeful and I have just found another Maud :-

Births Jun 1897
Turner Maud Mary Wallingford
2c 311

based on her death after marriage

Deaths Mar 1955
Hooper Maud M 57 Wharfedale
2d 786

so perhaps you have at last managed to unlock it for me. I will pass this lot back and hope for a positive response - peoples memories are sometimes suspect when they get past 70!

The sensible course for your friend to pursue would be the purchase of the marriage cert

1901 census

Person: TURNER, Martha Address: Rokemarsh, Benson (Oxon), Bensington Or


TURNER, Arthur Head Married M 31 1870 Agricultural Labourer
Long Crowmarsh, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, Catherine Wife Married F 30 1871
Cholsey, Berkshire VIEW
TURNER, Gertrude Daughter Single F 10 1891
Cholsey, Berkshire VIEW
TURNER, Ellen Daughter Single F 8 1893
Long Crowmarsh, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, George A Son Single M 6 1895
Long Crowmarsh, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, Maud M Daughter Single F 3 1898
Long Crowmarsh, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, Alice Daughter Single F 2 1899
Long Crowmarsh, Oxfordshire VIEW
TURNER, Martha Daughter F 0 (2 MOS) 1901
Benson, Oxfordshire

My current research is for the friend of a friend via messages! I believe I have touched on this family before but I am now looking for the mother's family - Turner :-

Marriages Mar 1926
Rhodes John A Turner Grimsby
7a 1005

Turner Florence M Rhodes Grimsby
7a 1005

I have been told that Florence and her family came from Crowmarsh Gifford which is next to Wallingford, Oxfordshire and this is the Registration District. I have been given a list of sisters and a brother for Florence but they are all family diminutive names and possibly not as registered. As a bonus I cannot get the order of thir births but from FreeBMD I have this list :-

Births Sep 1893
Turner Maud Wallingford
2c 324

Births Jun 1896
Turner Alice Elizabeth Wallingford
2c 320

Births Jun 1899
Turner Alice Annie Wallingford
2c 325

Births Dec 1899
Turner Alice Wallingford
2c 317

Births Mar 1901
Turner Martha Florence Wallingford
2c 319

Births Mar 1903
Turner Frederick Ernest Wallingford
2c 314

I believe Florence, by the time of her marriage, had her christian names reversed (and the family had moved to Grimsby) because she is said to have been born the same year as the Queen Mother which I have as 1900. The diminutives are Bessie and Fred.
Previously some kind people seem to be able to find a family using the combination of names as I am having difficulty finding them seperately at all in 1901 or 1911. Please is there anybody reading this to take up the challenge.

The names of the parents have been given as Fred and Kathleen but I don't regard Kathleen as necessarily correct and I have yet to find a suitable marriage in FreeBMD

Many thanks,
Frances