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By the process of elimination of Mary or Mary Ann's only 2 born 1880 to 1883

Mary Ann Stonham - George / Jane's dau = Robert John Tollett

Mary's dau Mary Stonham 1883 must be the one who = Frank Walter Irwin
but she must have been under age -- she was 20y 1901

Can any one with Canadian records be able to locate her death please

Mavis

Wonder if Mary registered William's death.

Deaths Dec 1894 Stoneham William 7_ Hastings 2b 12

Seeing Charlotte's marriage now.

Marriages Mar 1884
Millgate William James Hastings 2b 22
White Charlotte Hastings 2b 22

Thanks for help


I wonder if elder Mary died and death not reg. ? I know it did happen

thanks again

Mavis

thats the right family -- was she Mary or Mary Ann -- the Stonham I am trying to find was just Mary.

Is there any way to find her date of birth ??
Mary Stonham was born 18 Feb. 1883

thank you for finding her so far MC

Mavis of to bed now so wont respond till morning -- nite

If it's the correct Mary Ann then this is the birth of a child in Canada:

Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913
Name: Frank Walter Irwin
Date of Birth: 6 Jul 1908
Gender: Male
Birth County or District: Waterloo
Father's Name: Frank Walter Irwin - Shoemaker
Mother's Name: Mary Stenham
Archive Name: Archives of Ontario
Archive Series: MS929
Archive Reel: 22

Lived Tait Street.

yes thats the 2 Mary's who have gone missing

1891

Name: William Stonham
Age: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Hastings, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: St Clement
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
Town: Hastings
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Hastings
Sub-registration District: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 760
Folio: 57
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stonham 73
Mary Stonham 28
Mary Stonham 8

Charlotte was married to William Milgate

Mavis

I realise you have this but for ref.

1901

Name: Joseph Stonham
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Hastings, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Icklesham
Ecclesiastical parish: Icklesham St Nicholas with Rye Harbour Holy Spirit
Town: Rye Harbour
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Rye
Sub-registration District: Beckley
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 23
Piece: 861
Folio: 111
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William Milgate 40
Charlotte Milgate 37
Joseph White 40 Brother-in-law
Sarah White 25
Joseph Stonham 16, General Labourer



1891

Name: Joseph Stoneham
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Hastings, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Icklesham
Ecclesiastical parish: Icklesham
Town: Rye Harbour
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Rye
Sub-registration District: Beckley
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 757
Folio: 128
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Charlotte Milgate 27
Joseph White 70
Joseph White 29
Joseph Stoneham 6


Marriages Sep 1890
Fowler Mary Jane Rye 2b 1
MILGATE John Alfred Rye 2b 1
RICHARDSON George Rye 2b 1
Vall Charlotte Rye 2b 1

the Mary Ann Stonham = Robert John Tollett was the daughter of George
Stonham not who I was looking for

Mavis

If born out of wedlock, birth certs don't usually name the father, but it might be worth getting a copy just in case

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1883 (>99%)
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STONHAM Mary Hastings 2b 15


Andy

the last one looks interesting

thanks for imput at the mo

a lot of trees seem to have Joseph White as the father of Joseph Stonham 1885 he is living with aunt and uncle - William and Charlotte Milgate also there is Joseph White 1861 as brother in law [ Charlotte's brother - she was White ]
dont know if Joseph White was Mary Stonham's 1883 father ??


Mavis

Possible emigration


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
about Frank Irwin




Name:Frank Irwin
Gender:Male
Age:27
Birth Date:abt 1880
Departure Date:5 Feb 1907
Port of Departure:Liverpool, England
Destination Port:Quebec, Canada
Ship Name:Kensington


with Mary, Francis and Fergus

Andy

Possible child


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Fergus Felic Frederick Irwin




Name:
Fergus Felic Frederick Irwin

Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:17 Feb 1904
Father's Name:Frank Walter Irwin
Mother's Name:Mary Ann Irwin
Parish or Poor Law Union:Tollington Park St Mark
Borough:Islington
Register Type:Parish Registers

Andy

Possible for daughter Mary marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1900 (>99%)
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Irwin Frank Walter Pancras 1b 217
Stonham Mary Pancras 1b 217



1901 census for St Pancras


Frank Walte Irwin 21 Fishmonger
Mary Irwin 20 born Hastings


Andy

Maybe this one

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
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Broadbridge Walter Steyning 2b 365
>>>>>Fry Arthur Steyning 2b 365
Stenning Louise Steyning 2b 365
>>>>>Stonham Mary Steyning 2b 365




1901

Arthur Fry 40
Mary Fry 39 born Hastings


Also appear to be on 1911 census, married 29 years, 2 children born. 29 years would be 1882 which would cover birth of Mary jnr.

Andy

she was only bp as Mary as was her daughter

I tried to find these men to check them out -- not even found them !!

Mavis

Did she marry ?



Marriages Jun 1897

Foster Lilian Hastings 2b 18
Morgan William Jesse Hastings 2b 18
Stonham Mary Ann Hastings 2b 18
Tollett Robert John Hastings 2b 18

Mary Stonham bp 23 May 1862 and her daughter Mary Stonham born 16 Feb 1883 bp 5 Feb 1892 8y old

all taken place in Hastings - Sussex Stonham / Stoneham

1891 Census Hastings

William Stonham 75y he died Dec 1894
Mary Stonham 28y
Mary Stonham 8y

I know all about the rest of the Stonham family of Hastings its just these 2 I
cant find. after 1891

Mary 1862 was infact the mother of Joseph Stonham 1885 who died in 1928 in the lifeboat tragedy at Rye

any Ideas that may help please

Mavis