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Hi Kevin,

As usual the earlier help given is all correct.

Jane baptised 3rd Jan 1864, same church as the Marriage, daughter of Mary Dorrington, single woman

Image on way.

Kind regards
Amanda

Edit Baptism of William Kingaby 1865 also sent

Hi Kevin,

The marriage just says both of full age, although she is a Spinster, he is a Widower.
Witnesses were Benjamin Wallis and Susan Dorrington.
David's father was David Dorrington deceased Labourer
Lydia's father was William Bonney deceased Labourer

Am just about to PM the record to you.

Kind regards
Amanda

just found a potential marriage record of David Dorrington and a Lydia Bonney in Epping in 1841 Q 1 vol 12 125
Could this be?
Anyone got access to parish/church records so we can check ages????
thanks

want your next challenge yet?

She then changed her name back to Dorrington for purposes of marriage etc
Her step brother lives with her for a while and eventually her 'dad' lives with her after her mum dies.
She takes her 'nickname' Louie or Louise and uses that on all future docs
blimey what a family!

All correct assumptions I think and backed up by evidence- you lot are amazing.
:-D
So Mary Ann had an illigitimate child in 1863 Called Jane- shipped off to live with her parents and even though Mary Ann got married in 1864 stayed with the grandparents. She eventually took he rmothers married name but was that her real fathers name? who knows!

I'm stuggling to read this, but the son William Kingaby appears to have enlisted in 1885, naming his father and sister Louise as nok. Louise of 12 Burgess rd??, she is then crossed out and replaced by his wife Catherine (nee Kelleher) who he married 21/4/1889. (Image 7114)

William Kingaby
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Age at enlistment: 21
Birth Parish: Harlow
Birth County: Essex
Document Year: 1885
Regimental Number: 6489
Regiment Name: Commiss' & Tp Corps
Number of images: 6

Added: Louie Leighton is at 12 Burgess road on the 1891 census - so he considers her to be his sister!

;-)

And what do YOU know???

Happy Belated! <3

Moxxx

I think William Kingaby (King(s)ley) is her birth father and that's why she was recorded by her grandparents as Kingley on the 1881.

Quite agree,Flip.

Difficult to prove that Jane morphed into Louie but I do think they are the same woman.

:-P :-P :-P
I don't like "doing" Kevin's family.
What a tough bunch to follow! :-D ;-)

Moxxx <3

Further evidence to suggest Jane/Louie was Lydia/David's grandchild, not daughter. Lydia made it through to the 1911 census, on the image she has written 7 children born, 2 have died. Looking at the 1851/61 census she has the following:

George/Mary/Lydia/Sarah/John/David/Charlotte = 7 children

For what it's worth, I think Jane/Louie Dorrington was Mary Ann's illegitimate daughter, and lived with grandparents. The 1891 census has William & Mary Ann Kingaby still together, but I think this is her death:

Deaths Mar 1899 (>99%)
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Kingaby Mary Ann 57 W. Ham 4a 163

Then in 1901, he appears as William Kingsley, with the Leightons:

Louis Leighton
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Frederick Leighton
Father's Name: William Kingsley
Where born: Epping, Essex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: West Ham
Sub-registration District: Forest Gate
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 146
Piece: 1592
Folio: 42
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Leighton 43
Louis Leighton 37
Mary E D Leighton 15
Frederick W Leighton 13
Alfred H Leighton 10
Nellie Leighton 8
Charles A Leighton 7
Elsie Leighton 5
Laura Leighton 3
William Leighton 65 (brother)
William Kingsley 60 (f-in-l, housepainter, born Hackney)
Edward Marchant 38

The occupation and place of birth are consistent throughout the census. So if Louie knew her mother was Mary Ann, then it should be safe to assume she would consider William her "father".

Confused as usual!!!

Kevin,you said "I did find a girl birth in 1863 illegitimate Jane Dorrington born to Mary Ann Dorrington".
Was this from an actual birth cert?

So we're thinking that Jane and Loui** are the same person????


Moxx

1851 - so looks like Jane is the granddaughter of David and Lydia?
(Perhaps the illegitimate daughter of Mary Ann?

Name: Mart Dorrington
[Mary Dorrington]
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: David Dorrington
Mother's Name: Ledia Dorrington
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Epping, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Epping
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View Image

Registration District: Epping
Sub-registration District: Chigwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 10
Piece: 1770
Folio: 274
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
David Dorrington 53
Ledia Dorrington 33
George Dorrington 9
Mart Dorrington 7
Lydia Dorrington 5
Sarah Dorrington 3

Name: William Kingaby, House Painter
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Dorrington
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Oct 1864
Parish: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Alexander Kingaby, House Painter
Spouse Father Name: David Dorrington, Labourer
Register Type: Parish Register


1881

Name: Mary A. Kingaby
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: William Kingaby
Gender: Female
Where born: Epping

Civil Parish: Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 66 Brooksbys Walk
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration District: Hackney
Sub-registration District: West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 36a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 307
Folio: 64
Page Number: 50
Household Members:
Name Age
William Kingaby 38
Mary A. Kingaby 38
William Kingaby 16
Millisent Taylor 5
Thomas A. Evans 75
Mary L. Leggatt 49

Sorry-have to rush out=but that young grandson who is with them in 1871.....

Births Dec 1865
Kingaby William Epping 4a 76

Marriages Dec 1864
DORRINGTON Mary Ann Hackney 1b 631
KINGABY William Hackney 1b 631




Moxxx

Marriages Dec 1882
DORRINGTON Louie Bethnal Green 1c 434
DORRINGTON Louisa Bethnal Green 1c 434
Leighton Frederick Bethnal Green 1c 434

for ref.

1881

Name: Jane Kingley
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relationship to Head: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Epping, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Epping
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Occupation: General Servant

Registration District: Epping
Sub-registration District: Eppin
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1737
Folio: 52
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
David Dorrington 82
Lydia Dorrington 67
Jane Kingley 18<<<<< General Servant

I think the name on the 1881 IS Jane, the J is the same as elsewhere on the page (see the John and James) but the descender on the "y" in Lydia is in front of it.

association with:
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It's not his daughter?


1881 England Census

Name:Jane Kingley

Age:18

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1863

Relationship to Head:Visitor

Gender:Female

Where born:Epping, Essex, England

Civil Parish:Epping

County/Island:Essex

Occupation:General Servant

Registration District:Epping

Sub-registration District:Eppin
ED, institution, or vessel:3

Piece:1737
Folio:52
Page Number:6

Household Members:


David Dorrington 82
Lydia Dorrington 67
Jane Kingley 18 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<Doesn't look like 'Jane' on the image?