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10 Oct 2013 17:32 |
Parish Records Collection baptism Printer friendly version Transcription page details Day:11 Month:Jul Year:1785 Son/Daughter:Son Forename:Josiah Binstead Surname:Pollard First Parent:Robert Second Parent:Elizabeth Notes:Parish:Southampton St Michael County:Hampshire Record source:Hampshire Baptisms Data provider:Hampshire Genealogical Society
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Dea
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10 Oct 2013 16:40 |
It is certainly another possible Tenerife sun - we will have to await that marriage cert to see who she names as her father.
However, I am still tempted by the other one as her 'sister' Elizabeth was also baptised in Wiltshite, even though the rest of the siblings seem to have been baptised in Hampshire, and the 1841 does say that that Emma was not born in Hampshire ??
Elizabeth Pollard England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 21 March 1820 christening: 16 April 1820 St Edmunds, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
father:Josiah Bensteed Pollard mother:Mary
Of course, we may discover that Emma and Elizabeth were not sisters but cousins etc. as there iare no actual relationships shown on 1841 census.
If only we could find a baptism for an Emma with parents Josiah and Mary !
Dea x
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10 Oct 2013 16:13 |
Could this be her baptism? Different person as parents are John and Emma.
Day:28 Month:Feb Year:1823 Son/Daughter:Daughter Forename:Emma Surname:Pollard First Parent:John Second Parent:Emma Notes:Labourer of Abercrombie St Parish:Portsea St Mary County:HampshireRecord source:Hampshire Baptisms Data provider:Hampshire Genealogical Society
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Tom
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10 Oct 2013 14:51 |
Hi to you all
I have just sat down to go over last evenings information that you all kindly found for me, and found that you folks have been very busy on my behalf once more,
MarieCeleste, , my friend has ordered the cert so that has been taken care of.
Dea, thank you for another lot of info.
BatMansDaughter thank you also for a great deal info.
I will sit and try to take it all in and see what happens...
My sincere thanks to you all...
Kind regards
Tom
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BatMansDaughter
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10 Oct 2013 12:37 |
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1851 (>99%) German Mary Ann Portsea 7 99
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10 Oct 2013 12:36 |
Alexander may have married Emma and Caroline's sister first, but by the time the 1851 census was taken he was a widow,
Name: Alexander George German Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1850 Registration District: Portsea Island Inferred County: Hampshire Volume Number: 7 Page Number: 252 Records on Page: Name John Henry Barns Caroline Beavis Charlotte Fryer Alexander George German <<<< Solomon Hobbs John Launder Mary Leach Mary Ann Pollard <<<<<
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10 Oct 2013 12:32 |
Caroline married her cousin,
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1851 (>99%) Driscoll Honora Portsea I. 7 300 German Alexander Portsea I 7 300 <<<<<<<< Kennett Mary Portsea I 7 300 Pollard Caroline Portsea &c 7 300 <<<<<< WHEELER James Portsea I 7 300 Whicher James Portsea I 7 300
1871 England Census about Caroline German Name: Caroline German Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Alexander G German Gender: Female Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Portsea Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration District: Portsea Island Sub-registration District: Landport ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Household Schedule Number: 46 Piece: 1142 Folio: 31 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age Alexander G German 45 Caroline German 41 Alexander G German 18 Henry German 12 Eliza German 8 Emma M German 4
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10 Oct 2013 12:29 |
Looks like its her mothers sister,
Elizabeth Edom, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 " Name: Thomas German Birth Date: Birthplace: Age: Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Edom Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birthplace: Spouse's Age: Event Date: 1822 Event Place: Southampton, All Saints, Hampshire, England Father's Name: Mother's Name: Spouse's Father's Name: Spouse's Mother's Name: Race: Marital Status: Previous Wife's Name: Spouse's Race: Spouse's Marital Status: Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13756-2 System Origin: England-VR GS Film number: 1041734 Reference ID: 2:3V4XVFB
1841 England Census about Elizabeth German Name: Elizabeth German Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1793 Gender: Female Where born: Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Portsea Town Hundred: Portsmouth Borough County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
View Image Registration District: Portsea Island Sub-registration District: Landport and Southern Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 414 Book: 6 Folio: 8 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Alexander German 15 Emily German 12 Elizabeth German 18 Thomas German 56 Elizabeth German 48
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BatMansDaughter
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10 Oct 2013 12:24 |
If Josiah does turn out to be Emma's father then this may help ou follow the Pollard or mothers maiden name back?
1851 England Census about Caroline Polard Name: Caroline Polard Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Niece Gender: F (Female) Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Portsea Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View Image Registration District: Portsea Island Sub-registration District: Landport ED, institution, or vessel: 1p Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 162 Piece: 1659 Folio: 292 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Garman 57 Elizabeth Garman 27 Alexander Garman 25 Emily Garman 21 Caroline Polard 22
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Dea
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10 Oct 2013 12:01 |
There are MANY baptisms on Family search site for children of this couple - unfortunately Emma is not amongst them.
My computer is 'throwing a wobbly' at the moment because the security 'thingy' is doing a scan.
I will come back to this later.
Dea x
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10 Oct 2013 11:51 |
Emma's 'possible' parent's marriage:
Josiah Bensteed Pollard, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 " Name: Josiah Bensteed Pollard
Spouse's Name: Mary Edom
Event Date: 07 Jun 1812 Event Place: Millbrook, Hampshire, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02020-3 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 1041742 Reference ID:
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10 Oct 2013 11:39 |
Actually, having looked again at the image of the 1841 census I posted above for Emma Pollard, I find her father's name has been mistranscribed as Joseph when it is actually JOSIAH !!
I know it is her birth you are looking for but if we know the parents names it will help.
He also has quite an unusual middle came which could be useful !
This is Josiah and Mary again on 1851
1851 census transcription details for: 39, Bevios Street, St Marys, Southampton Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1669 Folio: 253 Page: 12 Reg. District: Southampton Sub District: Southampton Parish: St Marys Enum. District: 1M Ecclesiastical District: Saint Marys City/Municipal Borough: Southampton Address: 39, Bevios Street, St Marys, Southampton County: Hampshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born POLLARD, Josiah Binstead Head Married M 65 1786 **Laundress Southampton, Hampshire POLLARD, Mary Wife Married F 63 1788 Milbrook, Hampshire POLLARD, Robert Son M 18 1833 Coach Painter Apprentice Southampton, Hampshire POLLARD, Maria Grand Daughter F 10 1841 Southampton, Hampshire
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** Note that the word Laundress is actually on the line above in the next household.
Josiah, again, is a Whitesmith.
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10 Oct 2013 10:23 |
I would imagine that Emma and Elizabeth were sisters after finding this birth,
Births Dec 1848 (>99%) WEST Frederick Hillier Southampton 7 207
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BatMansDaughter
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10 Oct 2013 09:35 |
It looks possible that her sister(?) Elizabeth Pollard married at the same time to John West,
1851 England Census about Elizabeth Wesh Name: Elizabeth Wesh Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: John Wesh Gender: F (Female) Where born: Salisbury, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Southampton St Mary Town: Southampton County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View Image Registration District: Southampton Sub-registration District: Southampton ED, institution, or vessel: 1l Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 13 Piece: 1669 Folio: 228 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age John Wesh 28 Elizabeth Wesh 32 Martha Wesh 6 Harty Wesh 4 Fredk Wesh 2 Caroline Richards 26 >> lodger born Devon
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MarieCeleste
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9 Oct 2013 22:57 |
Hello Tom, have you actually bought the 1844 marriage certificate to see who her father was?
That might at least be of some help if you search parish records for her birth.
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Tom
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9 Oct 2013 19:16 |
Hi ***alviegal***
Thanks for your all work and time, what I'm trying to find is her birth!! I have all the info that you have kindly found for me,but for the elusive birth My thanks also to Dea
I have searched for her re; Salisbury Wilts but have drawn a complete blank
Many thanks
Tom
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alviegal
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9 Oct 2013 18:45 |
Marriage for info.
Civil Registration event: Marriage Print Close Name: HILLIER, George Registration district: Southampton County: Hampshire Year of registration: 1844 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 7 Page no: 279
MarriageFinder: George Hillier married one of the following people:
ANNETTS, Mary Ann
LANE, Mary
POLLARD, Elizabeth
POLLARD, Emma
HENBEST, Henry John
VINING, William
WEST, John
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alviegal
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9 Oct 2013 18:39 |
Sorry, I misread this I thought you were looking for her death not birth! Will try again.
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Dea
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9 Oct 2013 18:36 |
Could this be her? 1871 says she was born in Hampshire but others say Wiltshire?
This one was living in the right area and was NOT born in the County, unlike the rest of her family.
1841 census transcription details for: Cumberland Street, St Mary, Southampton Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 417 Book/Folio: 3/52 Page: 38 Reg. District: Southampton Sub District: Southampton Parish: St Mary Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Southampton Address: Cumberland Street, St Mary, Southampton County: Hampshire Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born POLLARD, Joseph M 56 1785 Hampshire POLLARD, Robert M 9 1832 Hampshire POLLARD, Caroline F 13 1828 Hampshire POLLARD, Emma F 20 1821
WEEKS, Joseph M 22 1819 Hampshire WEEKS, Elizabeth F 22 1819 Hampshire WEEKS, Maria F 0 (3 months) 1841 Hampshire DYMOTT, Thomas M 21 1820 Hampshire OSMAN, James M 23 1818 WINKWORTH, James M 6 1835 Hampshire POLLARD, Mary F 55 1786 Hampshire
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9 Oct 2013 18:33 |
1901 census transcription details for: 15, Shirley Road, Shirley Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 1074 Folio: 117 Page: 33 Reg. District: South Stoneham Sub District: Millbrook Parish: Shirley Enum. District: 23 Ecclesiastical District: Southampton St Marks City/Municipal Borough: Address: 15, Shirley Road, Shirley County: Hampshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born HILLIER, Emma Head Widow F 73 1828 Boarding House Keeper Salisbury, Wiltshire HILLIER, Alice Daughter Single F 38 1863 Southampton, Hampshire HILLIER, Sarah Daughter Single F 26 1875 Dressmaker Southampton, Hampshire MILL, Donald Boarder Single M 20 1881 Clerk Newport, I of Wight BROWN, Frank Boarder Married M 25 1876 Commercial Traveller Somerset, Somersetshire BROWN, Clarice Boarder Married F 24 1877 South Africa
This looks like them even though Sarah does not seem to have aged in 10years!! Alice and Emma are also younger than they should be.
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