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I am looking for Arthur Gater supposed to have been born in America in 1878 ,he married In Birmingham uk in 1898.
I can`t find him in Birmingham before 1901 his father was Frederick.
I would be grateful for any help please on passenger lists from America.
Thankyou
Carol

Been trying to work out the name of the witness on that marriage cert

Father Frederick shown as a plumber

I know I can`t work out the name either.

I have had another look at the witness name on marriage certificate I think it is Ada

On the 1901 Census, Arthur does say he was born in Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Two Family Trees on ancestry have him as born in Birmingham

One also refers to this birth registration as being his ..............

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Arthur Gayter
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1878
Registration District: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 443


This 1881 Census is very interesting. The father's forename is wrong, but the occupation is correct. And there is a sister Ada ............................

Name: Arthur Gayther
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: John Gayther
Mother: Anny Gayther
Gender: Male
Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: CT.7 H.1 High Street

Registration District: Aston
Sub-registration District: Aston Manor

John Gayther 25 b.ca 1856, Birmingham, Plumber & Line Worker
Anny Gayther 24 b.ca 1857, Birmingham
Ada Gayther 6
Arthur Gayther 4
Martha Gayther 1



Possible marriage for this couple????

Marriages Jun 1874 (>99%)
BEOFREY Annie Birmingham 6d 190
Gayther John Birmingham 6d 190
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Arthur seems to be a witness to Ada's marriage:
Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 about Ada Gater
Name: Ada Gater
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1875
Marriage Date: 4 Aug 1901
Marriage Age: 26
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Matthias, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: John Mason
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Marriage Age: 30
Father: John Gater
Spouse's Father: Benjamin Mason
Reference Number: DRO 8
Archive Roll: 620
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Is Arthur's name actually crossed off on the 1911 image? I see his wife has signed the form.

yes I seen that on the 1911 census can`t understand it.
Maybe John was in America
Another I don`t understand is why he was Frederick on Arthur Gaters b 1878 marriage to Beatrice then changed to John
Also I can`t find a birth for Annie Beofrey John`s wife
Carol

Thankyou Sylvia and Maureen for helping me I am really grateful.

Witnesses - John Clements + Ada Gater

Dea x

could anyone please look on passenger lists after 1881 to America please for John Gater and if he was with anyone and if he came back .
Thankyou
Carol

First Name: John
Last Name: Gater
Ethnicity:
Last Place of Residence:
Date of Arrival: Sep 13, 1909
Age at Arrival: 28y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Arabic
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Manifest Line Number: 0026

Travelling with James Thomas Warburton and Thomas Jones - all miners from 'Talk Pitts' ??

He gives his father as Joseph Gater from High St. Talk Pitts.

Any help ?

Dea x

OOppps - I see his father was not a Joseph !

Dea Xxx

There is another one in 1903 travelling with Joseph aged 14 and Fred aged 8 to a brother in law Albert Jenkinson? in Indiana ??

Dea x

Thankyou Dea for all your help I really appreciate it,

Carol

Hi Carol.

I really don't think Arthur was born in America.

It just seems odd that the only time "America" is used is on that 1911 form......which,of course,was filled out by his wife.

Did I get mixed up somewhere?

Maureen :-S

(Annie Beofrey) ?



Births Sep 1855 (>99%)
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Brophey Hannah Birmingham 6d 152

Yikes,Choccy-it's so difficult to tell.

If anyone has access on Ancestry:
Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 about John Gayther
Name: John Gayther
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1854
Marriage Date: 29 Jun 1874
Marriage Age: 20
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Paul, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Annie Beakey
Spouse Gender: Female
Spouse Marriage Age: 20
Father: Charles Gayther
Spouse's Father: Thomas Beakey
Reference Number: DRO 35
Archive Roll: M160


Ummmm-Thomas is a whaaaat? Metal dealer? Herbal healer? :-S :-S :-S :-S

Maureen

Hi

from ancestry, as requested ........................

John Gather .............. Zinc worker

Father Charles Gayther .......... Carpenter

Annie Beofrey ........... no occupation shown

Father Thomas Beofrey ............ Metal Dealer

Address for both John and Annie ............ Camden Street

Witnesses:- Henry Clerke (???) and Mary Ann Walker (her mark)


I am not sure of the surname of the male witness

There is this one, travelling with Fred age 34.

Arthur Gaitor
Gender: Male
Age: 15
Birth Date: abt 1877
Departure Date: 8 Sep 1892
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Boston, USA
Ship Name: Marathon
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Marathon' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Master: Captain B Thomas

Both recorded as labourers, but no other details.

Fred & Arthur arriving USA. Fred, 34 is a groom, Arthur, 15 a mechanic. Last residence Lancashire, destination New York.

Boston, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1954
about Arthur Garter Name: Arthur Garter
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Age: 15
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Marathon
Arrival Date: 30 Sep 1892
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Last Residence: Lancashire