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Jean
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5 Oct 2013 18:16 |
Has anyone got a John Parker born abt 1837 in Manchester in their tree I found my gt uncle George Parker on a 1861 census with John and family it states they were cousins. I would like to find Johns parents and maybe find my ancestor. Any help appreciated.
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rootgatherer
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5 Oct 2013 18:31 |
Not seeing the census you refer to. Where were they living please and what year of birth do you have for George please?
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MargaretM
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5 Oct 2013 18:32 |
Can you post that 1861 census? I can't find it.
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Dea
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5 Oct 2013 19:13 |
Could you please delete your other duplicate thread and post us some info on here?
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Dea x
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Jean
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5 Oct 2013 19:29 |
George was born in 1848 in Manchester st like his cousiin the 1861 census I found on Genes place Lancashire Parish Manchester.
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MarieCeleste
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5 Oct 2013 19:32 |
1861 for our reference:
PARKER, John Head Married M 24 1837 Carter Manchester, Lancashire PARKER, Ruth Wife Married F 24 1837 Rath, Yorkshire PARKER, William Henry Son Unmarried M 3 1858 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire PARKER, Mary Ellen Daughter Unmarried F 0 (11M) 1861 Manchester, Lancashire PARKER, George Cousin Unmarried M 13 1848 Lurry Boy Cotton Assistant Manchester, Lancashire
Piece: 2947 Folio: 103 Page: 13 Registration District: Manchester Civil Parish: Manchester Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: 41, ... Place, Manchester County: Lancashire
(Address looks like 41 Mainwaring Place on the image)
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rootgatherer
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5 Oct 2013 19:51 |
Ah! mistranscribed on Ancestry as Parkes!
Name: George Parkes Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Middleton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Ardwick Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration District: Chorlton Sub-registration District: Ardwick ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 63 Piece: 2868 Folio: 9 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age John Parkes 24 Ruth Parkes 23 William H Parkes 3 Mary E Parkes 11 Months George Parkes 12
Definately Nephew age 12 on actual image.
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rootgatherer
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5 Oct 2013 20:19 |
If George Parker was your great Uncle - which of his siblings are you descended from please?
Do you have a marriage for George?
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patchem
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5 Oct 2013 20:29 |
Was trying to find out information on Ruth, but for info: Baptism: 1 Nov 1857 St Thomas, Ardwick, Lancashire, England William Henry Parks - Son of John Parks & Ruth Born: 17 Oct 1857 Abode: 50 Atherton Place Ardwick Occupation: Porter Baptised by: R. Spoonley Curate Register: Baptisms 1844 - 1865, Page 157, Entry 1253 Source: LDS Film 2148094
Baptism: 27 May 1860 St Thomas, Ardwick, Lancashire, England Mary Ellen Parks - [Child] of John Parks & Ruth Born: 9 May 1860 Abode: Mainwaring Place Ardwick Occupation: Porter Baptised by: George Philpot Curate Register: Baptisms 1844 - 1865, Page 200, Entry 1593 Source: LDS Film 2148094
So they are calling him Parks.
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5 Oct 2013 20:48 |
From that Patchem, it looks like the Ancestry census hasn't been mistranscribed - just a different spelling of Parks?
Looks like it is the census transcribed as Parker that may be wrong.
We really need Jean to come back and tell us how she got back to her George Parker.
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patchem
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5 Oct 2013 20:55 |
Death of Ruth? Burial: 1 Aug 1862 St Mary the Virgin and St Michael, Urswick, Lancashire, England Ruth Park - Age: 23 Abode: Pennington Buried by: James Gale Register: Burials 1855 - 1870 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 83, Entry 662 Source: LDS Film 1040314
Added: Or not, if this is another child: Baptism: 6 Apr 1864 St Bartholomew, Vauxhall, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Ruth Parkes - [Child] of John Parkes & Ruth Abode: Naylor St Occupation: Carter Baptised by: Thos. Robinson Register: Baptisms 1841 - 1929, Page 150, Entry 1188 Source: LDS Film 1656153
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rootgatherer
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5 Oct 2013 21:02 |
Same George in 1871
Name: George Parkes Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Middleton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Chorlton on Medlock Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration District: Chorlton Sub-registration District: Chorlton upon Medlock ED, institution, or vessel: 41 Household Schedule Number: 202 Piece: 3993 Folio: 111 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age Edwod Edwards 42 Sarah Edwards 40 Hannah Thorley 80 Emily Shaw 16 Elizabeth Shaw 14 Sarah Shaw 11 Joseph Shaw 9 Jessie Shaw 7 George Parkes 22 Occupation Packer Hy Nelson 50 Maggie Macolerd 21
So this looks like his marriage
Name: George Parks, Occupation Packer Age: 23 Birth Year: abt 1849 Marriage Date: 27 Oct 1872 Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George Father's Name: Eli Parks, Bricklayer Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Warrington Spouse's Age: 23 Spouse's Father's Name: John Warrington Archive Roll: 740
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5 Oct 2013 21:15 |
???? Right area but wrong occupation.
1851
Name: Elijah Park Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Betty Park Gender: M (Male) Where born: Middn, Cumberland, England Civil Parish: Middleton Town: Middleton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration District: Oldham Sub-registration District: Chadderton ED, institution, or vessel: 1h Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 50 Piece: 2242 Folio: 513 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Elijah Park 50 Dyer Cotton Betty Park 46 Silk Weaver
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ArgyllGran
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5 Oct 2013 22:24 |
Jean, are you looking for the parents of John Parker, or of John Parkes/Parks?
If definitely John Parker, then the 1861 census above doesn't seem to be him, and therefore John Parkes's nephew George can't be your gt uncle.
Did your George have a wife or children from whom we can work back to him?
Is this your George Parker?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about George Parker Name: George Parker Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1848 Registration District: Manchester Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 20 Page: 666
And John??
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about John Parker Name: John Parker Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1837 Registration District: Manchester Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 20 Page: 225
Neither record gives parents' name, though, so could be completely wrong, and may have no connection with each other.
If you're looking for ParkER, then the existence ot a related John Parker may be a red herring, if you have only come across the name when you thought you had found George in 1861.
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ErikaH
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5 Oct 2013 23:07 |
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1332439
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MarieCeleste
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5 Oct 2013 23:24 |
I think we're all ignoring that one anyhow Reggie as it seems to have been one of those glitches.
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patchem
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5 Oct 2013 23:27 |
John Parks Spouse's Name: Ruth Moverley Event Date: 14 Dec 1856 Event Place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M09789-4 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 438218, 438219, 438220, 438221, 438222
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ArgyllGran
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5 Oct 2013 23:40 |
Just a possibility for George ParkER and parents:
1851 England Census about George Parker Name: George Parker Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Son Father's Name: George Parker Mother's Name: Hannah Parker Gender: M (Male) Where born: Hulme, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Didsbury Ecclesiastical parish: St James Didsbury County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration District: Chorlton Sub-registration District: Didsbury ED, institution, or vessel: 3b Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 96 Piece: 2219 Folio: 113 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age George Parker 35 Hannah Parker 36 Ann Parker 8 George Parker 4 Eliza Parker 2/12
Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral) about Hannah Oakden Name: Hannah Oakden Age: Minor Marriage Date: 23 Nov 1841 Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George Father's Name: Roger Oakden Spouse's Name: George Parker Spouse's Age: Full Spouse's Father's Name: George Parker Archive Roll: 707
England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 about Hannah Oakden Name: Hannah Oakden Birth Date: 24 Dec 1821 Gender: Female Event Type: Baptism Father: Roger Oakden Mother: Edith Oakden Baptism Date: 3 Mar 1822 Baptism Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England Denomination: Wesleyan Piece Title: Piece 973: Manchester, Oldham Street Chapel (Wesleyan), 1814-1837
Hannah's YOB is way out in 1851 census, but better in 1861:
1861 England Census about Hannah Parker Name: Hannah Parker Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: George Parker Gender: Female Where born: Manchester Chorlton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Prestwich Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration District: Manchester Sub-registration District: Prestwich ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 8 Piece: 2976 Folio: 50 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age George Parker 45 Hannah Parker 41 Ann Parker 18 Eliza Parker 10
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ArgyllGran
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6 Oct 2013 00:08 |
???
1871 England Census about Hannah Parker Name: Hannah Parker Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Chatton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Ardwick Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration District: Chorlton Sub-registration District: Ardwick ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Household Schedule Number: 279 Piece: 3977 Folio: 122 Page Number: 50 Household Members: Name Age Hannah Parker 50 - widow George Parker 24 - gardener Eliza Parker 20 - tube maker
1891 England Census about Hannah Parker Name: Hannah Parker Age: 70 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Hulme Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip Town: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration District: Chorlton Sub-registration District: Hulme ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3190 Folio: 90 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Hannah Parker 70
Deaths Jun 1891 (>99%) PARKER Hannah 70 Chorlton 8c 801
PLEASE NOTE, Jean - I'm not guaranteeing that this is the right family - that's even assuming it's a George ParkER you're looking for! Did your George have sisters Ann and Eliza?
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