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8 Oct 2013 20:50 |
Rootgatherer,
sorry, didnt see your second posting. Interesting he should go under his middle name of Henry for that christening. That is the first child, Florence, and that is the other child william henry.
The only time Ellen appears is the 1881 census, where it states she is from Waterford, Ireland. Transcribing error. 1891, where they are Thomas and Ellen. and 1901, where they are Thomas and Ellen. After that, possible deaths, as nothing in 1911.
I will have a look at that marriage.
Thanks for your help.
Sue
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8 Oct 2013 19:29 |
Hi rootgatherer,
Yes, i did wonder if Ellen had been married before.
Its possible they did not marry, but i dont really buy certificates for all ancesters.
Thanks anyway.
Sue
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8 Oct 2013 19:27 |
Now, I wonder if Thomas sometimes used his middle name?
Name: Florence Mary Martin Gender: Female Christening Date: 23 Dec 1877 Christening Place: Little Berkhampstead, Hertford, England Birth Date: 14 Oct 1877 Birthplace: ittle Berkhamstead, Hertford, England
Father's Name: Henry Martin Mother's Name: Ellen
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C07261-3 System Origin: England-ODM
(Little Berkhamstead Community Website includes Epping Green)
So now I am wondering about this marriage. Different district though.
Marriages Dec 1873 Chandler Ellen Edmonton 3a 270 MARTIN Henry Edmonton 3a 270
I'll see if I can find that couple on the 1881 census.
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Not seeing that couple on the 1881 census but maybe I am just missing them.
Name: William Henry Martin Gender: Male Christening Date: 14 Sep 1879 Christening Place: Bayford, Hertford, England
Father's Name: Henry Martin Mother's Name: Ellen Martin
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03263-5 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1951858 Reference ID: p 9 no 70
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8 Oct 2013 19:23 |
Perhaps they never actually married. Ellen would have been 27/28 when Florence was born and may have been married before she met Thomas.
As Mike has said, you may have to buy the birth certificate of one of the children to find Ellen's maiden surname.
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Sue
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8 Oct 2013 18:24 |
Good evening helpers.!!!! not campers.!
Was wondering if i could have another look into this one.
I have done bit of research and there is a place Waterford, in Hertfordshire. It was formerly part of the Parish of Bengeo, but was formed on its own in 1908.
Seems the translator, thought they would add Ireland to Waterford. The enumerator just entered Waterford. and census' after that state Waterford Herts, which i have now established is the correct one.
Ellen, born c1847 in Waterford, Hertfordshire, which came under Parish of Bengeo. Married Thomas Martin c 1876/7 as first child Florence was born 1878 in Bengeo. Looking for their marriage to find out Ellens maiden name.
Thanks Sue
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26 Sep 2013 23:51 |
Hi all, just to let you know, think i have found a marriage., 1875, Limerick, Ellen Purcell. Ancestry record All Ireland Civil Registration of Marriage Index.,1845-1958
Vol. 5 FHL Film. No. 101252 Page 359
Sue
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26 Sep 2013 23:51 |
Hi all, just to let you know, think i have found a marriage., 1875, Limerick, Ellen Purcell. Ancestry record All Ireland Civil Registration of Marriage Index.,1845-1958
Vol. 5 FHL Film. No. 101252 Page 359
Sue
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25 Sep 2013 22:31 |
Thank you everyone. I have been looking also, and i have just seen the 1881 census. where Thomas has been listed as living in Waterford Ireland. Think this must be wrong and transcriber has got it incorrect.
As there is no sign of a marriage of Thomas to Ellen, even earlier dates, in hertfordshire, maybe Ellen is from Waterford Ireland.
The whole thing looks a bit messy to me.
Will leave open in case anyone has a brain wave, but not optimistic. :-)
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25 Sep 2013 22:22 |
Thanks Prickles. Looks as if i had a funny five minutes.!! Sorry. and thanks for pointing that out.
Will have another look for marriage. Shipp may be a clue.!
Sue
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25 Sep 2013 22:18 |
It's a bit earlier but I am looking at this entry which has a missing female's name:
Marriages Sep 1872 (>99%) Anthony Emma Hertford 3a 450 Martin Thomas Hertford 3a 450 PARKER James Hertford 3a 450
My g-g-grandfather was born in Watford but his convict papers stated place of birth Waterford. It caused a LOT of confusion.
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25 Sep 2013 22:05 |
Emily Frances Martin
Birth Date:11 Jun 1881 Christening Date:13 Nov 1881
Christening Place: Little Amwell, Hertfordshire, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name:Thomas Henry Martin Mother's Name:Ellen
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25 Sep 2013 22:03 |
Birth cert would give you mother's maiden name
Births Sep 1881 Martin Emily Frances - Hertford 3a 430
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25 Sep 2013 21:49 |
Original 1901 just says Waterford no mention of Herts
1881 has Thomas born Waterford and Ellen Herts ( maybe got them the wrong way round)
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25 Sep 2013 21:48 |
Ok........perhaps i am missing something?
Prickles. x
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25 Sep 2013 21:39 |
Hello again Prickly,
Yes, see that on 1891, 1901 and it does say Waterford, Herts. But one i have seen says Waterford, Ireland.
Maybe that should read Watford, which is fairly nearby in herts. I will put this on hold and have a look myself first.,
Sue,
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25 Sep 2013 21:34 |
1881 England Census about Florence Martin Name: Florence Martin Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: Thomas Martin Mother: Ellen Martin Gender: Female Where born: Bengeo, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Little Amwell County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street Address: The Heath Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Scholar Registration District: Hertford Sub-registration District: Hertford ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1424 Folio: 70 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Martin 27 Ellen Martin 31 >>>Epps Green, Hertfordshire Florence Martin 3 William Martin 1 John Shipp 15 (Visitor)
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25 Sep 2013 21:29 |
Hi Sue........
I am not seeing any reference to Ireland!
:-D
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25 Sep 2013 21:25 |
Hello Prickles,
Yes that is the family. Will have a quick check on the county. Back in a Min.
Sue :-D :-D :-D
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25 Sep 2013 21:24 |
1891 England Census about Thomas H Martin Name: Thomas H Martin Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ellen Martin Gender: Male Where born: Little Berkhampstead, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Great Amwell Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist Town: Great Amwell County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Ware Sub-registration District: Hoddesdon ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1092 Folio: 116 Page Number: 39 Household Members: Name Age Thomas H Martin 40 Ellen Martin 35 >>>>Waterford, Hertfordshire Florence M Martin 13 William H Martin 11 Emily F Martin 9 Charles Martin 7 John Martin 4 Thomas E Martin 2
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25 Sep 2013 21:18 |
For reference...
1901 England Census about Thomas H Martin Name: Thomas H Martin Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ellen Martin Gender: Male Where born: Little Berkhamstead, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Great Amwell Ecclesiastical parish: Great Amwell St John the Baptist Town: Hailey County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Ware Sub-registration District: Hoddesdon ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 46 Piece: 1279 Folio: 53 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age Thomas H Martin 50 Ellen Martin 54 William H Martin 21 Emily T Martin 19 Charles Martin 17 John Martin 14 Thomas Martin 12 It states that Ellen was born in Waterford, Hertfordshire??
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