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Mel Fairy Godmother
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2 Oct 2013 12:47 |
Keep looking into your thread Guy.
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Guy
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2 Oct 2013 12:29 |
Chris - fantastic! I'm very impressed how you experts can apparently so easily move from Genes R, to Ancestry, to My Past etc and so find the links between people with such apparently common names - Mrs Thatcher was a Roberts I believe!).
Thank you so much for finding the connection for SArah Roberts and the Halfords - your an ace!
Guy M
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Chris Ho :)
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1 Oct 2013 11:09 |
Baptism (Find My Past) Forenames:Sarah Surname:Roberts Baptism Year:1874 (age 18) Baptism Month:Jun Baptism Day:23 Place:Newport, St Woolos County:Monmouthshire Birth Year: Birth Month: Birth Day: Fathers Forenames:John (Pattern Maker) Mothers Forenames:Hannah Record source:Monmouthshire Baptisms - Transcripts Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru
Chris :)
Grooms Last Name:Halford Grooms First Name:Henry John (Clerk) Grooms Fathers First Name:Thomas (Commission Agent) Grooms Fathers Last Name:Halford Grooms Parish: Grooms Age:27 Brides Last Name:Roberts Brides First Name:Sarah Brides Fathers First Name:John (Pattern Maker) Brides Fathers Last Name:Roberts Brides Parish: Brides Age:30 County:Monmouthshire Place / Parish:Newport, St Mark Marriage Year:1886 Marriage Month:Oct Marriage Day:11 Record source:Monmouthshire Marriages - Transcripts Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru (witnesses, Helen Hannah Halford, M.A. Roberts)
1911 HALFORD, Henry John Head Married M 51 1860 Telegraphist Post Office Pensioner Swansea Glamorgan HALFORD, Sarah Wife Married24 years F 54 1857 Talywain Monmouthshire RG number: RG14 Piece: 31965 Reference: RG14PN31965 RG78PN1840 RD587 SD2 ED6 SN55 Registration District: Newport Sub District: Newport Enumeration District: 6 Parish: Newport Address: 7 Queens Hill Newport Mon County: Monmouthshire (no children)
1891 HAFFORD, Henry J Head Married M 31 1860 Telegraphist Swansea, Glamorganshire HAFFORD, Sarah Wife Married F 34 1857 Trevethin, Monmouthshire Piece: 4371 Folio: 87 Page: 17 Registration District: Newport Civil Parish: Newport Municipal Borough: Newport Address: Grove House, Devon Place, Newport County: Monmouthshire
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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1 Oct 2013 10:34 |
Hi Cynthia sorry for the delay I had to go shopping and things yesterday.
Guy was away for the weekend so thats why he did'nt answer your message.
The other day when we were working on the thread was his wifes birthday.
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28 Sep 2013 11:46 |
Thank you Mel.
I see I sent Guy a message on 7th September re a thread on a different family, which he opened but didn't acknowledge and the last message I sent him remains unopened. I presume you are working by pm on this?
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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27 Sep 2013 14:59 |
It's ok Cynthia he knows how to get back and we have been working together in the background.
Thank you Mel
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Cynthia
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27 Sep 2013 14:34 |
I'll send Guy a message reminding him of how to return to his thread. :-)
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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26 Sep 2013 11:59 |
Now I don't know whether this could be John Roberts on the 1911 census but it could be and he has remarried. I can't find a marriage but his new wife died in 1912.
The 1911 census says they have been married for 8 years.
1911 Wales Census about John Roberts Name: John Roberts Age in 1911: 77 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Llanvall, Togher Civil Parish: Newport County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street Address: 3 Cardiff Road Newport Mon Marital Status: Married Years Married: 8 Estimated Marriage Year: 1903 Occupation: Engineer Chambermaid Registration District: Newport Registration District Number: 587 Sub-registration District: Newport ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Household Schedule Number: 457 Piece: 31972 Household Members: Name Age John Roberts 77 Jane Bromwich Roberts 67 (Bromwich reads Brunswick on the census) born Torrington Devon. She has a drapery business.
John Is down as an Engineer Chambermaid which really made me laugh but it reads Mechanical on the actual paper!!! All this just goes to show how transcribers cna get it wrong.
This is the probate for his wife.
Roberts Jane Brunswick of 37 Commercial Rd Newport Monmouthshire (wife of John Roberts) died 22 July 1912 probate Llanaff 27th Aug to James Robert Willis Lamey outfitter and Jane Brunswick Willis Huntley (wife of Henry John Huntley) Effects £374. 15s. 1d.
So here we have their marriage in 1903.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Jane Brunswick Lamey Name: Jane Brunswick Lamey Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1903 Registration District: Newport Inferred County: Monmouthshire Volume Number: 11a Page Number: 316 Records on Page: Name Jane Brunswick Lamey John Roberts
I would like other peoples opinions on this please?
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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25 Sep 2013 20:56 |
I wonder if this could be Hannah's probate record.
Hannah Roberts oof "Henlan" Queen's Hill Newport Monmouthshire (Wife of John Roberts) died 24th July 1900 Administraton London 2 July to the said John Roberts Wheelwright. Effects £195.
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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25 Sep 2013 20:01 |
????????
1901 Wales Census about John Roberts Name: John Roberts Age in 1901: 67 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Henllan, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil Parish: Newport Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street Address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Registration District: Newport (Monmouthshire) Sub-registration District: Newport ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 204 Piece: 4956 Folio: 60 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age John Roberts 67**Widower Mary A Roberts 42****Dau Single School Teacher******* Mary Parsons 69 Servant
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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25 Sep 2013 18:56 |
Again for ref.
1871 Wales Census about Hannah Roberts Name: Hannah Roberts Age: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: John Roberts Gender: Female Where born: Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish: Rogerstone Town: Bassaleg and Graig County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Registration District: Newport Sub-registration District: St Woollos ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household Schedule Number: 62 Piece: 5350 Folio: 62 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age John Roberts 37 Hannah Roberts 47 Sarah Roberts 14 Mary Ann Roberts 12 Thomas Roberts 9
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25 Sep 2013 18:37 |
If you buy a birth certificate for one of the children shown on the 1871 census, it will give you the mothers maiden name
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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25 Sep 2013 18:35 |
This one?? for ref.
1841 Wales Census about Hannah Mare Name: Hannah Mare [Hannah Mayers] Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Female Where born: Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish: Trevethan Hundred: Abergavenny (Upper Division) County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street Address: View Image Occupation: View Image Registration District: Pontypool Sub-registration District: Pontypool Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 744 Book: 4 Folio: 15 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Name Thomas Mares 40 Sarah Mares 40 John Mare 20 Hannah Mare 15 Mary Mare 15 Sarah Mare 13 William Mare 6 Elizabeth Mare 4
1851 Wales Census about Hannah Mayers Name: Hannah Mayers Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Mayers Mother's Name: Sarah Mayers Gender: Female Where born: Trevethin, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Trevethin Ecclesiastical parish: Trevethin County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Registration District: Pontypool Sub-registration District: Pontypool ED, institution, or vessel: 2d Piece: 2449 Folio: 140 Page Number: 68 Household Schedule Number: 249 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Mayers 53 Sarah Mayers 53 Hannah Mayers 28 William Mayers 16 Elizabeth Mayers 14 Sarah Ann Whitney 5
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Guy
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25 Sep 2013 18:12 |
Hannah was born around 1823 and lived with her parents in Sowhill, Trevethin, Monmouthshire until she married John Roberts, a pattern-maker, on 22 Apr 1856 when they were both apparently resident at Llanhilleth, Monmouthshire. What happened to them thereafter? There is an 1871 entry for Hannah Roberts living at Tredegar Street, Graig, Monmouthshire, (which is not far from Trevethin) with a John Roberts 10 years her junior, and three children- Sarah Roberts, Mary Ann Roberts & Thomas Roberts. With such a common surname I find it difficult 1) to be certain the 1871 couple are the same as the 1856 marriage certificate and 2) to find out what happened to any children (to have only 3 was fairly unusual in those times). I would love to trace Hannah & John plus all their children through to 1911. Any clues gratefully received. Guy Mayers
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