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23 Sep 2013 23:23 |
Sorry, I wasn't being specific enough - I was saying that was my only reference but I think it is safe to claim that the 'other' female of the same who was a lot older is definitely a relative. Just seems difficult making these connections.
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23 Sep 2013 20:58 |
You said the death record for Tryphena was "only in the IGI".
Not so:
Parish Records Collection 1538-2005 - Burial
First name(s): Tryphena Last name SMITHERINGALE Date of burial: 26 Nov 1833 Age at death: 1 Calculated year of birth: 1832 Place of burial: Grantham Dedication: St Wulfram County: Lincolnshire Notes: Grantham St Wulfram Denomination: Anglican Coverage: 1813 - 1884 Number of entries 6,613 Record source: National Burial Index Data provider: Lincolnshire Family History Society
The age at death has been noted on the record as being a year old.
A transcription also on FreeReg:
County Lincolnshire Place Grantham Church St Wulfrum RegisterNumber 112 BurialDate 26 Nov 1833 Forename Tryphena Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname SMITHERINGALE Age 1 Abode L.Gonerby Notes FileNumber 18721
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Peter
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23 Sep 2013 19:05 |
Thank you Alemap, can you find another burial for James Smitheringale? There seems to be more than one baptising children in the same area.
And thanks Chris Ho for the link - will look into it.
And the newspaper articles are great. Thank you Tenerife Sun!
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23 Sep 2013 08:39 |
This could be the burial for the father of James b.1784.
First name(s): James Last name: SMITHERINGALE Date of burial 30 Oct 1828 Age at death: 88 Calculated year of birth: 1740 Place of burial Langtoft Dedication: St Michael County: Lincolnshire Notes: Langtoft St Michael:
Denomination: Anglican Coverage 1754 - 1900 Number of entries: 1,848 Record source: National Burial Index Data provider: Lincolnshire Family History Society Transcriptions © Lincolnshire Family History Society
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Chris Ho :)
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23 Sep 2013 07:13 |
http://www.lincstothepast.com/
(above useful for Lincs.)
Chris :)
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23 Sep 2013 07:13 |
Lincolnshire Chronical
Stamford Union Deaths
Thursday 18th March 1841 John Smitheringale of scarlet fever, aged 6 years.
Stamford Mercury 13/06/1884 James Smitheringale of Langtoft on the 16th instance for being drunk and disorderly. Fine 5 shillings and costs or 14 days imprisonment
Lincolnshire Chronicle 21/03/1862 District Bancrupts.
Henry Smitheringale, West Deeping, wheelwright. Stock of trade sold by auction.
Stamford Mercury 27/05/1857. Death.
In the Union House Elizabeth Ann daughter of Mahala Smitheringale aged one year
Stamford Mercury 10/07/1857. Marriage
Harris Smitheringale, At the General Baptist Chapel Peterborough on the 2nd instance Mr John Harris to Miss Ann Smitheringgale, both from Maxey
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Peter
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23 Sep 2013 02:07 |
ELIZABETH?!
Search Record Details County Lincolnshire Place Crowland Church St. Guthlac RegisterNumber BurialDate 05 Apr 1838 Forename Elizabeth Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname SMITHERINGALE Age 35 Abode Crowland Notes FileNumber 19426
And her mother in law?!
Search Record Details County Lincolnshire Place Crowland Church St. Guthlac RegisterNumber BurialDate 31 Dec 1844 Forename Elizabeth Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname SMITHERINGALE Age 80 Abode Crowland Notes FileNumber 19426
Although definite Grantham connections:
Search Record Details County Lincolnshire Place Grantham Church St Wulfrum RegisterNumber BurialDate 05 Jun 1707 Forename Mary Relationship Dau of Rel1MaleForename Robt Rel1FemaleForename Hannah Rel1Surname SMYTHORNGALE Surname SMYTHORNGALE Age Abode Notes FileNumber 5409
Although definite family in BARNACK and THORNHAUGH ... both in Northamptonshire. Maybe this family is bigger than I anticipated ...
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Peter
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23 Sep 2013 01:53 |
James burial?
Husband of Elizabeth Hibbitts?
Search Record Details County Lincolnshire Place Grantham Church St Wulfrum RegisterNumber 18 BurialDate 10 Feb 1837 Forename James Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname SMITHERINGALE Age 33 Abode L.Gonerby Notes FileNumber 18721
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Peter
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23 Sep 2013 01:48 |
Well thank you - Ozibird, the fact Tryphena died young is ONLY from the IGI. Nothing more - and I still can't place that Smitheringale family in Grantham in the 1830s so you marriage may help.
Bascially, I descent from what appears to be one branch and a seperate, albeit smaller branch (of which I suspect the Grantham twig is part) grew close by. The two families, in my opinion, must connect but the problem is where. I have kind of added several uknown generations on my gedcom to include of the information together (of course, aware that this is speculation in the hope of finding evidence later). How strange that family from the 1830s (children of James and Elizabeth) can't be found in the census?! I tried and tried. STRANGE! Any ideas?
So please, keep the information coming - I am very gratefuly for what has been shared here, and love the D.H. Lawrence note ... have you read Sons and Lovers? One of the main characters is named LEIVERS.
Also, than you Detective for the link of FreeREG ... not a site I use at all, so will get onto it!
Also, that Tryphena Smitheringale Magarrach must be connected to the Grantham Tryphena - what a fabulous name. Please, keep looking. Such finds all help the wider puzzle!
Peter
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Ozibird
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22 Sep 2013 21:30 |
OK, thanks, didn't notice that.
Ozi
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AnnCardiff
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22 Sep 2013 21:14 |
but according to the poster - Tryphena died at one year old
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Ozibird
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22 Sep 2013 21:11 |
Interesting.
1851 England Census Name: Tryfine Margarrch [Magarrah on image] Age: 49 [Definitely 49 on image so not your Tryphena] Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Hugh Margarrch Gender: F (Female) Where born: Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Southampton St Mary County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address: Caryens Court, Marsh Lane Condition as to marriage: married Registration District: Southampton Sub-registration District: Southampton Piece: 1669 Folio: 507 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age Hugh Margarrch 47 - Railway Servant Porter, born Ireland Tryfine Margarrch 49 Wm Margarrch 10 - Scholar, born Staffordshire Harriett Battan 66 - Lodger
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Ozibird
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22 Sep 2013 20:59 |
Marriages Mar 1856 Bowyer Ann Alverstoke 2b 649 BRUSHWOOD William Alverstoke 2b 649 Magarrah Hugh Alverstoke 2b 649 Smitheringale Tryphena Alverstoke 2b 649
Checking out the censuses, I believe William Brushwood married Ann Bowyer.
As there is only one other Magarrah in all the types in the whole of freeBMD I think it is a transcription error. As it is transcribed correctly from the index it probably happened at the parish register.
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22 Sep 2013 20:26 |
www.freereg.org.uk is quite good for Lincs ;-)
Although familysearch may hold more transcriptions from across England, the freereg version gives the extra details shown on the register including margin notes
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Ozibird
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22 Sep 2013 20:20 |
No wonder you couldn't find it on familysearch.org
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 " Name: James Suilltieringales Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Hibbits Event Date: 04 Dec 1826 Event Place: Grantham,Lincoln,England Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01124-1
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AnnCardiff
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22 Sep 2013 20:07 |
Thomas Leivers1 M, #2057, b. between 1 January 1885 and 31 March 1885 Father William Leivers1 b. 11 May 1852, d. 19 Dec 1914 Mother Alice Smitheringale1 b. bt 1 Oct 1852 - 31 Dec 1852, d. bt 1 Jan 1889 - 31 Mar 1889
Phil Chamberlain Family Tree - Person Page 24 Thomas Leivers, son of William Leivers and Alice Smitheringale, ... Note a family of Chatterley a few doors along in Lynn Croft ... (inspiration for D.H.L?) www.chamberlains.me.uk/ss2/g0/p24.htm - Cached
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AnnCardiff
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22 Sep 2013 20:01 |
1848 14-Mar Smitheringale Henry Christian Alice RB only West Deeping [marriage]
XLS] mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk Microsoft Excel Smitheringale Culpin Boss Cunnington Joseph CLIFF Dabbs Thomas William Marian Dalby Thomas Bates ... Grantham Heal Morsey Gore Brittan Sapcote Allick Hosea Trouser ... mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/?stamfordRD.xls
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AnnCardiff
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22 Sep 2013 19:59 |
Rebecca SmitheringaleHead W 52 Maxe Anne SmitheringaleDaugh S 30 M James SmitheringaleGS 7 Scholar Maxey John SmitheringaleGS 4 Scholar Maxey
John Smitheringale Head M 36 Railway Porter West Deeping Mary Ann Smitheringale Wife M 21 Whittlesea George Smitheringale Son 13 Maxey John Smitheringale Son 11 Maxey Henry Smitheringale Son 9 Maxey Charles Smitheringale Son 5 Maxey Fanny Smitheringale Daugh 3 Maxey
[DOC] William Pearson - Homepage of St.Peters Church. Maxey. England Microsoft Word SinL = son in law. ill* = illegitimate and *who related to * = directly related members of family ... Smitheringale Head M ... Grantham Mary Elizabeth Hyde Wife ... www.maxeychurch.co.uk/1851%20Census.doc
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AnnCardiff
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22 Sep 2013 19:55 |
Smitheringale Family Genealogy Forum - GenForum - Home Smitheringale Family Genealogy Forum: ... SMITHERINGALE Grantham Lincs ENG 1800s - Suzanne Brown 12/18/02. Re: SMITHERINGALE Grantham Lincs ENG 1800s - Cathy Lucas 5 ... genforum.genealogy.com/smitheringale - Cached
Uffington Genealogy Resources & Parish Registers ... ... variety of information about the people and places of the Grantham district. Includes family ... of Lincolnshire ... Smitheringale: 1: 0.22: 93: Harrison: forebears.co.uk/england/lincolnshire/?uffington - Cached
Langtoft Genealogy Resources & Parish Registers ... ... variety of information about the people and places of the Grantham district. Includes family ... Directory of Lincolnshire ... Smitheringale: 5: 0.86: 48: Jibb: 5 ... forebears.co.uk/england/lincolnshire/?langtoft - Cached
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22 Sep 2013 19:54 |
County Lincolnshire Place Grantham Church St Wulfrum RegisterNumber 739 MarriageDate 04 Dec 1826 GroomForename James GroomSurname SMITHERINGALE GroomParish Grantham GroomCondition Bachelor BrideForename Elizabeth BrideSurname HIBBITS BrideParish Grantham BrideCondition Spinster WitnessOneForename Wm WitnessOneSurname BEE WitnessTwoForename Wm WitnessTwoSurname MARSHALL
FileNumber 18724
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