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Hetty Gardener born 12th march ,1902

1 Hampton St , Southsea Portsmouth

Father William Albert Gardener Occupation Carter H.M.Dockyard

Mother Kate Gardener formerly Courtney .

Thankyou Lynda

There is this one (but says born in Newcastle):-

1911 census transcription details for: Royal Seamen And Marines Orphan School, ROYAL SEAMAN AND MARINES ORPHAN SCHOOL

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN5620 RD90 SD4 ED33 SN9999
Reg. District: Portsmouth
Sub District: Portsmouth and Mid Southsea
Parish: Portsmouth
Enum. District: 33

Address: St Michael's Road Southsea
County: Hampshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

GARDINER, Hetty Inmate F 10 1901 School Girl Newcastle on Tyke (Tyne)

Kath. x

Thank you very much ,Kath xxx

Marriages Jun 1886

Courtney Kate ...Portsea 2b 803
GARDNER William ... Portsea 2b 803

Gwyn in Kent , Thankyou ,

I did find this and I have Hettry gardener 's birth certificate ,
she was definately born in Portsea , and on the birth cert her fathers name
is Albert William , not Wlm Albert as i wrote earlier ,



Thankyou for looking for me

This is Hetty's birth so perhaps the one in the 1911 census is NOT her:-

Name: GARDNER, Hetty <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< note spelling of surname
Registration district: Portsmouth
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1902
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 2B
Page no: 524

Kath. x

Strange I can't find Kate and William/Albert on any census. Do you have them together? If the marriage was in 1886 they should be on at least the 1891 and 1901.

Kath. x

Finally found them in 1901:-

1901 census transcription details for: 1, Hampton Street, Portsmouth, Town

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 1003
Folio: 47
Page: 14
Reg. District: Portsmouth
Sub District: Portsmouth and Mid Southsea
Parish: Portsmouth
Enum. District: 15
Ecclesiastical District: St Luke's
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 1, Hampton Street, Portsmouth, Town
County: Hampshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

GARDINER, Albert W Head Married M 34 1867 Carter
Portsmouth, Hampshire
GARDINER, Kate Wife Married F 33 1868
Portsmouth, Hampshire
GARDINER, George E Son Single M 10 1891
Portsmouth, Hampshire
GARDINER, William A Son Single M 2 1899
Portsmouth, Hampshire
GARDINER, Arthur B Son Single M 1 1900
Portsmouth, Hampshire
CAKE, Albert R Boarder Married M 35 1866 Painter's Labourer
Winfrith, Dorsetshire
CAKE, Albert F Boarder Single M 6 1895
Portsmouth, Hampshire
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And in 1891:-

1891 census transcription details for: 26, Stone Street, Portsea, Portsmouth

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 871
Folio: 76
Page: 16
Reg. District: Portsea Island
Sub District: Landport
Parish: Portsea
Enum. District: 37
Ecclesiastical District: St Paul
City/Municipal Borough: Portsmouth

Address: 26, Stone Street, Portsea, Portsmouth
County: Hampshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

GARDENER, Albert W Head Married M 22 1869 Stoker Royal Navy
Southsea, Hampshire
GARDENER, Kate Wife Married F 23 1868 Charwoman
Southsea, Hampshire
GARDENER, Elizabeth Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar
Southsea, Hampshire



Kath. x

This looks like Albert in 1871 with his parents and siblings:-

1871 census transcription details for: Cumberland Road, Portsea, Portsmouth

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 1146
Folio: 115
Page: 24
Reg. District: Portsea Island
Sub District: Landport
Parish: Portsea
Enum. District: 47
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Portsmouth

Address: Cumberland Road, Portsea, Portsmouth
County: Hampshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

GARDNER, Edward Head M 39 1832 Hampshire
GARDNER, Elizabeth Wife F 41 1830 Hampshire
GARDNER, Elizabeth Daughter F 18 1853 Hampshire
GARDNER, Mary Ann Daughter F 15 1856 Hampshire
GARDNER, Edward Son M 12 1859 Hampshire
GARDNER, Alfred Son M 9 1862 Hampshire
GARDNER, Rosa A Daughter F 6 1865 Hampshire
GARDNER, Albert W Son M 2 1869 Hampshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
SILLIK, George Boarder M 28 1843 Devon

Kath. x

Not seeing a death for either of the parents although Hetty was in an orphanage.


Different spelling for young Arthur

Births Mar 1900 Gardner Arthur Benjamin Portsea 2b 489

Deaths Dec 1958 GARDNER Arthur B 58 Southampton 6b 618


1911

Name: Arthur Gardner
Age in 1911: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Pupil
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Portsea, Hampshire
Civil Parish: Harborne and Edgbaston
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address: The Royal Institution For Deaf and Dumb Children, Church Road, Edgbaston
Occupation: school
Registration District: Kings Norton
Registration District Number: 383
Sub-registration District: Edgbaston
ED, institution, or vessel: 32-37
Piece: 17942

1911 ??

Name: Ernest Albert Nutbourne
Age in 1911: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Mitchelmersh, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: 28 Brompton Rd, Eastney, Southsea, Portsmouth, Hampshire
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Gardener Domestic
Registration District: Portsmouth
Registration District Number: 90
Sub-registration District: Kingston and East Southsea
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Household Schedule Number: 352
Piece: 5548
Household Members: Name Age
Ernest Albert Nutbourne 44
Kate Nutbourne 43 - born Wish Court Kings Road
Frederick Courtney 27 - shown as step son, born 48 Hampshire St, Portsmouth



Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
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GARDNER Kate Portsmouth 2b 1119
HARRIS Ada Mary Portsmouth 2b 1119
NUTBOURNE Ernest Albert Portsmouth 2b 1119
OSBORNE Thomas Herbert Portsmouth 2b 1119



Just throwing this into the mix

Kathleen Bell ,

Thankyou so much for all your help , I really really appreciate it .

I can not find a death for Albert , but have found a mrg for Kate Gardner 1909 to an Ernest Nutbourne . then found them on the1911 census ,

She has remrd and put Hetty in an orphanage , she has a son living with her ,

Frederick Courtney bn Portsmouth 1884 .

Thankyou so very much
Lynda

Im going now to write up all the wonderful info you have found for me xxx

Glitterbaby
Thankyou for your help

roorsgatherer

Thankyou for your help

There is this possibility for Albert's death (with names round the other way):-

Name: GARDINER, William A
Registration district: Winchester
County: Hampshire
Year of registration: 1942
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 75
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 196

The age would be about right.

I know this is after Kate's second marriage but perhaps her first marriage broke up and as divorce was almost impossible to get in those days for ordinary people lots of couples just split up and went on to live with someone else or marry someone else bigamously. It could be a reason why she decided to leave Albert's children in care. Just a thought really.

Kath. x

Pleasure to help Lynda.

Perhaps Albert William died at sea?

From The National Archives


Reference:
ADM 188/180/132813
Description:

Name Gardner, Albert William
Official Number: 132813
Place of Birth: Portsmouth, Hampshire
Date of Birth: 10 April 1867

Date:
[1885]
Held by:
The National Archives, Kew
Former references:
in its original department: Vol No. 132-2
Legal status:
Public Record

KathleenBell and rootsgatherer ,

I am extremely grateful to you both , and everyone on GR , who help novices like me . I have Ancestry , but could never have got anywhere without the generous people like your selves who give so much help for free .

Thankyou all again

Lynda

I am not ignoring you just so excitedly writing all this up

No problem Lynda - you'll soon be so addicted that you will be helping others on here too. :-D

Don't think that Winchester death is one of yours.

Name: William Arthur Gardiner
Probate Date: 13 May 1942
Death Date: 7 Mar 1942
Death Place: Winchester, England
Registry: Winchester, England


Probate to Egerton Gardiner

I saw this earlier this evening but not sure if it is your Hetty but I'll post it anyway and you can file it in your "yet to be proved" file

Name: Hetty Gardner, Domestic Servant
Gender: Female
Age: 30
Birth Date: abt 1901
Departure Date: 18 Jul 1931
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Montreal, Canada
Ship Name: Ausonia
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Shipping Line: Cunard Line
Master: L R Carr


No other Gardners with her.