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31 Aug 2013 13:52 |
From my gt grandmother's birth certificate (Margaret Elizabeth Mellaby born 1859 Ormesby, Yorks) I know that her parents were George Mellanby (ag.lab.) and Mary, nee Harding (who made her mark rather than signed the certificate). From the 1851 census I know that these two were born in about 1813/14 and 1815/16 respectively. I think I've found - on Familysearch - a parish record of Mary Harding's christening on 24 sept 1815 in Danby, Yorks - no image available unfortunately. Can anyone help me find out more about this couple and the children they had? In 1881 at age 21, Margaret Elizabeth was living with an unmarried cousin William Harding, age 41 a sharebroker who became a wealthy man, mayor of Darlington, JP, pillar of the Society of Friends, several paragraphs about his funeral in 1910 in the local newspaper etc. He appears to have sheltered various Mellanby cousins and I am trying to find out how exactly he was related to them, to Mary Harding, and thus to her daughter Margaret Elizabeth Mellanby and indeed to her son Sidney Harlock, who I understand also was sent to live with William Harding when his own father fell on hard times (late 1890's/1900's perhaps). I suspect William sponsored Sidney (my grandfather) through boarding school and professional training and I'd like to know what his link was to my family.
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GlitterBaby
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31 Aug 2013 13:56 |
Slightly different spelling on marriage details
Name: George Melonby Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1838 Registration District: Stokesley Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding Volume Number: 24 Page Number: 415 Records on Page: Name Mary Brunton Mary Harding Isaac Hugill George Melonby
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Ann
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31 Aug 2013 14:06 |
Glitterbaby Thanks. I guess that suggests there may be a string of Mellanby children starting from about 1838 onwards. My ancestor (born 21 years later) was presumably the youngest! Any documentation to show if Mary Jane Mellanby (born c.1843) was her sister? It seems Mary Jane kept house for William Harding for all her adult life and inherited his house and much of his wealth when he died in 1910. Ann
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31 Aug 2013 14:07 |
Hi Ann
Have you got the certificate for the marriage?
Marriages Mar 1838 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harding Mary Stokesley 24 415 MELONBY George Stokesley 24 415
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KathleenBell
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31 Aug 2013 14:12 |
From the census returns it seems that William Harding was born c.1840 in Norton, Stockton-on-Tees.
This could possibly be his birth (the certificate would give you his parents names):-
Name: HARDING, William Registration district: Stockton County: Durham Year of registration: 1840 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 24 Page no: 196
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Ann
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31 Aug 2013 14:17 |
No - Glitterbaby only just referred me to it. I presume I'd have to order it from GRO to see the details. What would it be likely to confirm?
I guessed it would be the offspring of these two that I'd need to investigate in order to establish the link between William Harding (1840 - 1910 the wealthy one) and Mary Harding - and between him and his cousins Mary Jane Mellanby and Annie mellanby (age 4 in 1881 so surely not another child of Mary and George Mellanby).
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GlitterBaby
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31 Aug 2013 14:17 |
1851 just for info
Name: Marg Mellanby [Mary Mellanby] Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: George Mellanby Gender: F (Female) Where born: Danby, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Ormesby Ecclesiastical parish: Cleveland County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration District: Guisbrough Sub-registration District: Lofthouse ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 56 Piece: 2375 Folio: 246 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age George Mellanby 37 Marg Mellanby 35 Elizabeth Mellanby 11 born Stainton Mary J Mellanby 8 Catharine Mellanby 6 Thomas Mollanby 4 William Mollanby 1 Class: HO107; Piece: 2375; Folio: 246; Page: 14; GSU roll: 87663-87664.
Not yet found them in 1841
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KathleenBell
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31 Aug 2013 14:27 |
I think this is George Mellanby in 1841:-
1841 census transcription details for: Durham Place, Middlesbrough
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1258 Book/Folio: 5/26 Page: 47 Reg. District: Stockton on Tees & Sedgefield Sub District: Yarm Parish: Middlesbrough Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Durham Place, Middlesbrough County: Yorkshire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MELLANBY, George M 25 1816 Yorkshire MELLANBY, Mary F 25 1816 Yorkshire MELLANBY, Hannah F 5 1836 Yorkshire MELLANBY, Elizabeth F 2 1839 Yorkshire COLLIN, John M 30 1811 COLLIN, Diana F 30 1811 Yorkshire JANE, Mary F 1 1840
EDIT - John, Diana and Mary Jane Collin are in a separate household in the same building.
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Ann
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31 Aug 2013 14:27 |
Thanks Kath (my last reply was to Gins - I'm getting a bit mixed up here!) Yes I think that's him. I've found a christening record for 2 feb 1840 (can't remember where exactly now) that indicated William was the son of Thomas and Ann Harding (christened at St Thomas's church, so not a Quaker by birth). Thomas was an agricultural labourer, so William really was a self made man. Odd thing is that in 1851 he was at boarding school in Great Ayton, age 11. I wonder who was paying for that sort of education for a farm labourer's son? Tho' I haven't checked the school yet - it may have been for the sons of the labouring poor or orphans i suppose. Do you advise i order the birth certificate? I'm not sure it will tell me any more than the christening record showed.
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31 Aug 2013 14:28 |
yes wealthy indeed..
Name: William Harding Probate Date: 21 May 1910 Death Date: 19 Apr 1910 Death Place: Darlington Registry: Durham, England
£100,569 9s 2d The entry actually says he died in Hove Sussex
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KathleenBell
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31 Aug 2013 14:32 |
The birth certificate would give you his mother's maiden name which might shed some light on the connection with the Mellanby family (or not).
The school he was at in Great Ayton was an Agricultural School amongst other things.
It seems that one of his parents might have been a Quaker who had married outside of the religion as the school was set up originally for the children of "disowned" Friends who were not eligible for Quaker education.
Kath. x
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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31 Aug 2013 14:42 |
1861
Name: William Harding Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Stockton, Durham, England Civil Parish: Haughton le Skerne County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address:
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View Image Registration District: Darlington Sub-registration District: Aycliffe ED, institution, or vessel: 9e Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 92 Piece: 3684 Folio: 121 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age William Harding 21 William Harding 83 Mary Jane Mellanby 18
William aged 83 is his grandfather
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Ann
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31 Aug 2013 14:49 |
Kath Thanks v. much for the info' re the school Willaim Harding went to. In the 1861 census he was a railway clerk thereafter he became a share dealer/ stockbroker. And clearly made a fortune at it! isn't it most likely that the connection I'm looking for is between Thomas Harding (Wm's father) and Mary Harding - who became Mary Mellanby on marriage? If . for instance, thomas and Mary were brother and sister then her Mellanby offspring would be cousins of his son william Harding. Ann
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KathleenBell
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31 Aug 2013 14:54 |
Yes, you are probably right. I thought you were unsure of the connection between the families but this seems most likely.
Kath. x
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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31 Aug 2013 14:57 |
Yes, what you are looking for is a father William Harding with children Thomas and Mary Harding......
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MargaretM
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31 Aug 2013 15:08 |
I think I might have the same Mellanby family in my tree. I have Thomas Mellanby born abt 1846, son of George Mellanby born abt 1814, Stainton and his wife Mary born abt 1816 Danby.
My Thomas Mellanby married my great grand aunt, Anne Bean 15 June 1867 in Eston, Yorkshire. She was previously married to John Race.
My Thomas had siblings Elizabeth 1840, Mary J. 1843, Catharine 1845 and William 1850,
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KathleenBell
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31 Aug 2013 15:08 |
Trouble is that Thomas Harding and Mary Harding are too old to be on any census together and Thomas was probably married before the start of civil registration so there won't be a marriage certificate that could be used to check addresses etc.
Kath. x
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31 Aug 2013 17:19 |
Mary Jane Mellanby died 1919 probate £27,987 8s 4d,so she enjoyed spending money.
1851 Thomas Harding 32 widow born Guisborough John 8 Thomas 5 William Harding born Basda;e Yorks retired farmer Mary 72 born Moorholme? Yorkshire.
1841 Guisborough William Harding a farmer Mary Harding William Harding 20 Hannah Harding 1836 (is this Mary's daughter before marriage)
Thomas Harding married in 1837 to Anne Dale.
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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31 Aug 2013 18:08 |
The marriage Mary posted..
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1837 (>99%) DALE Anne Guisbro' 24 323 Scan available - click to view HARDING Thomas Guisbro' 24 323 Scan available - click to view
So you could buy this certificate and the certificate of Mary Harding's marriage to George Mellanby - and hopefully their fathers will be the same....
Jude
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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31 Aug 2013 19:38 |
William's legacy in 1910 equates to about £10M today !!!!!! And by the time she died, Mary Jane had got through the equivalent of £9M :-0
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