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gins... I think I am having a senior moment... except I thought I had a few years to go yet...

thanks reggie... think my head was in the clouds.. well that's the polite way to put it...

I have gone back over my threads now and ensured I have ticked ADD TO MY WATCHED THREADS...
but as usual thanks to all...... :-D

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1337294

Hi Kim

You said on your new thread that you couldn't find Edith on the 1911 census. Marie posted it on page one of this thread, Edith shown as Eda

This looks to be her death



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name:Edith A Caldwell

Birth Date:abt 1881

Date of Registration:Dec 1960

Age at Death:79

Registration district:Hull

Inferred County:Yorkshire East Riding

Volume:2a

Page:265


PS You should delete that new thread and just add to this one

:-)

:-D

Rootgatherer... I have written it down.. I cant find a divorce for her so I can only assume she either remarried without divorcing her cad of a husband or she never remarried.... tricky one..
He never married his mistress just kept having kids with her...

Have you eliminated this death please?

Name: Edith A Caldwell
Birth Date: abt 1885
Date of Registration: Mar 1951
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Bolton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 1074

thanks marieceleste... wow plenty more digging to do on this one.....

I've found Edith Annie Norton in previous census, also Martha Horton and they do seem to be unrelated, just very similar surnames.

There are two trees on Ancestry, one has him just with wife Edith Annie and the girls, another has him with spouse Martha and quite a few children up to the 1920s (all seem to have been registered as Horton).

found edith annie Norton... with her family in 1901... no sister called Martha.. im so glad of that

strange...
the crossed of names are
Margaret
kate Elizabeth
edith

but then you found
Margaret
Catherine
edith

then Margaret
Hannah
edith...

stange family
plus I a looking into the norford/Norton cant find them either

Edith Norton, Martha Horton - I want to investigate Martha just to make sure she's not Edith's sister.

ADDED: I've checked the original images of both 1911 census. Both were allegedly completed by James Caldwell but it is the one when he was with his wife and children where the signature matches that on his army records. Naughty Martha.

Can't get the 1911 on FMP so probably won't be on Genes, here it is on ancestry

1911 England Census

Name: James Caldwell
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Holy Trinity and St Mary
County/Island: Yorkshire-East Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 2 Vigilance Buildings Osborne Street
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Dock Labourer <<<<<

Registration District: Hull
Registration District Number: 522
Sub-registration District: Humber
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Piece: 28767

Household Members:
Name Age
James Caldwell 35
Eda Caldwell 27
Margaret Caldwell 6
Hannah Caldwell 4
Edith Caldwell 10/12

He'd filled the form in, too.

ok that's the one I found with Norton...
thanks again...

what a pig of a man....

have been trying to find her and the kids on the 1911 census but cant find yet...

Looks like his wife's name was actually Norton:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915

Name: James Caldwell
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1904
Registration District: Beverley
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 238

Records on Page:
Name
James Caldwell
Kate Dean
Edith Annie Norton <<<<
William Blades Tomlinson

He was discharged 1915, no further info after that. His military conduct was better than his marital. He had two good conduct badges.

Kim, yes it looks like he was being a bad lad - will add to the pension record above when I've finished scribbling.

ADDED:
He married Edith Annie Norford 08 Apr 1904. They had:

Margaret Annie 13 Feb 1905 Beverley
Catherine 07 Jan 1908 Gateshead
Edith 10 Dec 1910 Hull

EDIT: They match the names scratched out on the 1911. So he was playing away with Martha while his wife was pregnant.

could be will look into that.. but with the 1911 info.. looked at the original
he is married
she is not
childs name Martha Caldwell Horton.... hmmmm....

also written down the bottom is three childrens names and ages then crossed out. all with the surname Caldwell....

was he playing away from home.......
more mystery,,,

Those service records are his, have found his pension records and father is named as Jacob Caldwell:

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about James Caldwell
Name: James Caldwell
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Age at enlistment: 18
Birth Parish: St Josephs
Birth County: Durham
Document Year: 1898
Regimental Number: 5824
Regiment Name: East Yorkshire Regiment
Number of images: 16

He transferred from the DLI, will be back when I've read through.

Wonder if this accounts for the 1901?

British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription

First name(s): James
Last name: CALDWELL
Calculated year of birth: 1881
Parish of birth: St Josephs
Town of birth: Gateshead
County of birth: Durham
Age at attestation: 17 years 10 months
Attestation date: 17 March 1898
Attestation corps: 4TH BATTALION DURHAM L I REGIMENT
Attestation soldier number: 5914
Discharge rank:
Discharge corps: Durham Light Infantry - 68th & 106th Foot
Discharge soldier number:
The National Archives reference: WO96

No family info and it doesn't say when he was demobbed.