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17 Aug 2013 23:38 |
National Roll of the Great War 1914-1918 (Find My Past)
(H Snelling (Grenadier Guards), W T Snelling, W Snelling, all 6, Orbain)
(adding before I switch orf''!)
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1901 (Carpenter?) SNELLING, Willm Head Married M 46 1855 Carpenter Pimlico, London SNELLING, Louisa Wife Married F 42 1859 Whitechapel, London SNELLING, Louisa E Daughter Single F 22 1879 Laundress Pimlico, London SNELLING, Arthur E Son Single M 17 1884 Tea Merchants Clerk Battersea, London SNELLING, Willm T Son Single M 15 1886 Shop Boy Battersea, London SNELLING, Esther F Daughter Single F 10 1891 Battersea, London SNELLING, Dorothy M Daughter Single F 0 (4 MOS) 1901 Battersea, London Piece: 441 Folio: 177 Page: 60 Registration District: Wandsworth Civil Parish: Battersea Municipal Borough: Address: 22, Sheepcote Lane, Battersea County: London
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17 Aug 2013 22:32 |
Going back to Maureen's post - where was William recorded as a carpenter please, I think I'm missing something?
1911 he was a blacksmith's striker, which is a blacksmith's labourer, and 1901 a blacksmith (stretch of imagination?), On a marriage he was a boiler-maker, which is akin to a blacksmith - so probably a boiler-maker's labourer.
My grandfather was a boiler-maker, but had labourers working with him - one of which was a great-uncle who had been a blacksmith's striker before going into the shipyard.
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17 Aug 2013 22:12 |
Looks good for the younger child Walter Thomas, born c1898 Chris:
Walter Thomas Snelling Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1898 Registration District: Brentford Inferred County: Middlesex Volume: 3a Page: 110
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17 Aug 2013 21:22 |
[PDF] 326 NATIO'NAL~ROLL OF THE GREAT WAR. SNELLING, WT (MM) www.military-genealogy.com/viewRecord?product=nr&q_recordid... SNELLING, W. T. (M.M.), Gorpl., Essex Regt. He volunteered in March 1915, and ... He was demobilised in 1919. 6, Orbain Road, Fulham, S.W.6. X18055.
(above, google search, snelling orbain)
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17 Aug 2013 20:38 |
1890 School Admission for Esther Snelling (30/4/86) Father William, Boiler Maker, 23, Fountain Street.
(muddlin' on!)
London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 Name: Amy Snelling Year: 1918 County or Borough: Wandsworth Ward or Division/Constituency: Battersea Street Address: 00 Yorkney (with Harry, 60, Stanley Street, Queens Road) Chris :)
http://www.airgale.com.au/follows/d7.htm#c78892
(above seems to relate, from google)
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17 Aug 2013 13:02 |
Re young Harry Snelling at the Certified Industrial Truant School in 1901 posted by Gins - must have been a bad lad! That was the Chiswick and Heston Truant Industrial School, Holme Court, Isleworth.
http://missing-ancestors.com/CHISWICK%20&%20HESTON%20TRAUNT%20IND%20SCH%20ISLEWORTH%20INFO%20PAGE.htm
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/IS/ Industrial Schools
Certified industrial schools were promoted as an alternative to reformatories by a group of magistrates, MPs, and social reformers such as Mary Carpenter. After thir unsuccessful campaign to remove the prison requirement for those entering reformatories, the Industrial School was put forward as an analogous institution but aimed at a younger age group and without the prison element. Initially, under the Industrial Schools Act of 1857, children aged seven to fifteen who were convicted of vagrancy could placed in an Industrial School. A further Act in 1861 defined four categories of potential entrants: under-fourteens found begging; under-fourteens found wandering and homeless or frequenting with thieves; under-twelves who had committed and imprisonable offence; under-fourteens who parents could not control them.
The first Industrial School was established at Feltham as the result of a private Act of Parliament in 1854 although did not come into operation until 1859.
Another Act in 1866 consolidated and amended the previous legislation and raised lower age of entry to a Reformatory to ten. The 1866 Act also transferred overall responsibility for the Schools to the Prison Authority and a single Inspector was to cover both types of establishment. From 1871, children under fourteen of a woman twice convicted of "crime" could be sent to an Industrial School.
Under the 1876 Elementary Education Act, School Boards were authorised to establish Industrial Schools and Day Industrial Feeding Schools "for those children whose education is neglected by their parents, or who are found wandering or in bad company". Day Industrial Schools were defined as institutions "in which industrial training, elementary education, and one or more meals a day, but not lodging, are provided for the children" for their "proper training and control". Day Industrial Schools were established almost immediately at Liverpool and Bristol, shortly followed by Gateshead, Oxford, Yarmouth, and a second school at Liverpool.
From 1880, any child under 14 found to be living in a brothel, or living with or associating with common or reputed prostitutes, could be sent to an Industrial School. A further Act in 1893 raised the age of admission to Reformatories to 12, and the obligatory age of release was reduced from 21 to 19.
Industrial Schools, in common with the Separate or District Schools run by the poor law authorities, often ran a military-style band which gave the boys a musical training and could also lead to a crareer as a bandsman in the army or navy.
Truant Schools
Another new type of school that appeared following the 1876 Elementary Education Act was the Truant School where children who persistently refused to attend elementary schools could be detained for a period, typically one to three months, under a very strict regime, and then released on a renewable licence to attend a normal school. The first Truant Schools to be established were at London, Liverpool and Sheffield.
The London School Board initially planned that inmates should be kept in complete silence, except for during schoolwork, but the Home Office did not approve this proposal. Instead, children were required to perform drill instead of being allowed to play.
Certified School Establishments
In the wake of the 1854 and 1857 Acts, Reformatory and Industrial Schools were set up across the country, all of which had to be officially inspected and certified before they could begin operation. By 1875, there were 54 certified Reformatory Schools and 82 Industrial Schools in England and Wales. At the same date, Scotland had 12 Reformatories and 27 Industrial Schools. By 1885, there was a combined total of 61 Reformatories, 136 Industrial Schools, 9 Truant Schools, and 13 Day Industrial Schools. Generally schools took either just boys or girls, and some schools were specifically for Roman Catholic children.
The boys' schools included a number of naval training ships. Amongst the Reformatory ships were the Akbar, moored on the Mersey at Rock Ferry, near Liverpool, the Clarence for Roman Catholic boys at nearby New Ferry, and the Cornwall on the Thames at Purfleet. Industrial School vessels included the Formidable in the Bristol Channel, the Wellesley on the Tyne, and the Mars on the Tay.
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/IS/England.shtml
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MaureeninNY
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17 Aug 2013 11:43 |
Yes,Gins and Flip.
It's just that darned address.
And the occupation. None seem to fit...we've got a carpenter and a blacksmith/ boiler maker.
Mo
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17 Aug 2013 11:14 |
Don't know if you noticed Gins, there was another child registered at the school 29/10/1894, Alfred (dob 5/9/90) father william, both children's address 11 Ropeyard Rails - not sure if I've got this right.
Same day Alfred registered, 2 Reeves children were registered from the same address - can't read one of the names but the other is Mary (b1888), father George.
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17 Aug 2013 10:48 |
What about this one???
London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
Name: Harry Snelling
Age:3
Birth Date:9 Jun 1891
School:Union Street School Borough:Greenwich
Admission Date:8 Nov 1894
Parent:William
Notes: Union Street School opened in 1884. Originally named Powis Street School (See Separate List), then renamed Union Street School. Renamed Powis School in 1938
Reference Number:LCC/EO/DIV06/UNI/AD/006
1901 England Census
Name: Harry Snelling
Age:10
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1891
Relation:Inmate
Gender:Male
Where born:Wandsworth, Surrey, England
Civil Parish:Isleworth Ecclesiastical parish:All Saints County/Island:Middlesex
Country:England
Registration District:Brentford Sub-registration District:Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: Certified Industrial Truant School :-S
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17 Aug 2013 09:09 |
Brian,
"he lived for a short time at 6 Orbain Road, Fulham,SW6."
Is this from a document of some sort??
Chris..you may have found Lydia..grown quite fond of that lass.
If anyone has access...the London School thingies on Ancestry only seem to turn up (for me) records for Wm.Thomas, Esther and Lydia.
Maureen
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17 Aug 2013 07:30 |
Had you found anthing Military records wise, relating to Henry?...
Death Name: SNELLING, Henry Registration district: [?] Chiltern & Beaconsfield County: Buckinghamshire Year of registration: 1974 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Date of Birth:3 December 1888 Volume no: 19 Page no: 0907
(from other 'Thread'', is this him above)
Chris :)
Name: Esther Elizabeth Snelling Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 4 Jul 1886 (born 30 April) Father's Name: William Snelling (Labourer) Mother's Name: Lucy Snelling Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St George the Martyr Borough: Wandsworth Register Type: Parish Registers (address, 56, Sleaford Street)
Name: James Robert Snelling Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 28 Feb 1894 Father's Name: William Snelling (Labourer) Mother's Name: Lucy Snelling Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St Bartholomew Borough: Wandsworth (address, Wickersley Road)
Name: Mary May Snelling Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 15 May 1896 Father's Name: William Snelling (Labourer) Mother's Name: Lucy Snelling Parish or Poor Law Union: South Lambeth All Saints Borough: Lambeth (address, 41, Charles Street)
Births Mar 1890 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------- SNELLING Lydia Rotherham 9c 660
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17 Aug 2013 07:17 |
Amy's father (Baptism) and mother (Marriage)
Surrey, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912
Name:Albert Thomas Dalton
Baptism Date:21 Mar 1858
Parish:Chaldon, St Peter and St Paul
Parish as it Appears:Chaldon
Father:John Dalton
Mother:Mary Dalton
Reference Number:6402/1/1 ____________________________________________________
Surrey, England, Marriages, 1754-1937
Name:Albert Thomas Dalton <<Labourer
Age:22
Birth Year:abt 1858
Marriage Date:18 Sep 1880
Archive Provided Parish:Caterham, St Mary
Parish as it Appears:Caterham
Spouse:Sarah Burnell
Spouse Age:19
Father:John Dalton
Spouse Father:Richard Burnell
Reference Number:6087/1/17
No luck with Henry :-(
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MaureeninNY
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16 Aug 2013 20:24 |
I think so,too! (It beats bashing my mouse against the wall like I really want to. :-| :-| :-|)
Maureen :-D
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16 Aug 2013 20:12 |
I don't see them either Maureen. Tried every combination and variation I can think of. Perhaps they were on the way back to London on census night lol.
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16 Aug 2013 19:55 |
That's what's throwing me! I can't find them in 1891. Grrr.
Maureen
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16 Aug 2013 19:25 |
1901 Census has William and Lucy's daughter Lydia born in Sheffield?
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16 Aug 2013 19:10 |
Marriages Dec 1885
KNIGHT Lucy Lambeth 1d 765 Snelling William Lambeth 1d 765
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16 Aug 2013 19:05 |
1901
Name: William Snelling Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Lucy Snelling Gender: Male Where born: Clapham, London, England Civil Parish: Chiswick Ecclesiastical parish: Chiswick St Nicholas County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Brentford Sub-registration District: Chiswick ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 240 Piece: 1197 Folio: 128 Page Number: 37 Household Members: Name Age William Snelling 37 Lucy Snelling 35 Esther Snelling 15 Lydia Snelling 12 James Snelling 7 Mary Snelling 5 Walter Snelling 3 Thomas Knight 30
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16 Aug 2013 18:18 |
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name:Roger Edward Colgate Killed in action - France (Lieutenant)
Probate Date:27 Dec 1916
Death Date:18 Nov 1916 Address: 60 Stanley St, Lavender Hill
Death Place:Surrey, England Registry:London, England Probate to Amy Colgate (Widow) £150.00
UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Name: Roger Edward Colgate
Death Date:18 Nov 1916
Rank:2/Lieutenant
Regiment:Gloucestershire Regiment
Battalion:3rd Battalion
Type of Casualty:Killed in action
Comments: Att 8T
Not much help really, sorry
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16 Aug 2013 18:17 |
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1183012
(could be relating above)
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