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Jayne
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10 Aug 2013 15:50 |
Hi,
I'm trying to find information about Joseph Massey born in 1884 (i think). He was my great grandfather and married a May Fazakerley in 1921(?) Toxteth liverpool. They went on to have three sons Charles, Ronald and Joseph.
My problem is I can't find any details for him earlier than the marriage. No census, birth or death.
If anyone has details of him Or can point me in a different direction to search I would be grateful.
Jayne.
I edited the title and body as I put the wrong name in both, now fixed :-S
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KathleenBell
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10 Aug 2013 15:54 |
Name: FAZACKERLEY, May Registration district: West Derby County: Lancashire Year of registration: 1921 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Spouse's last name: Massey Volume no: 8B Page no: 398
Name: MASSEY, Joseph<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Registration district: West Derby County: Lancashire Year of registration: 1921 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Spouse's last name: Fazakerley Volume no: 8B Page no: 398
EDIT - I thought you had put the wrong name.
Do you have the marriage certificate which should give his father's name if he knew it? It would also tell you whether he was a bachelor or a widower. He seems quite old to be marrying for the first time so could be married in earlier census records.
Kath. x
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Dea
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10 Aug 2013 15:57 |
I cannot see that marriage - are you sure of those details?
Dea x
EDIT - Yes - I just found the 'Joseph' one too !
Dea x
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Adeline
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10 Aug 2013 16:01 |
Joseph Massey seems to be quite a common combination of names. If you buy the marriage certificate using the details Kath has found from:
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates
you will get Joseph's father's name. You will then stand a better chance of finding the correct Joseph in a census.
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Jayne
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10 Aug 2013 16:03 |
Dea I'm sorry I edited the post and said I had it wrong, silly me. You must of been searching while I was fixing it, sorry.
Kath, I don't have the marriage cert, we thought we might but can't find it anywhere. I'll have to get one ordered this week.
Thanks for your help, I see the marriage was west derby not toxteth. I haven't even got that right.... all over the place today.
Jayne.
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KathleenBell
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10 Aug 2013 16:06 |
West Derby Registration District covers Toxteth so you were right with that.
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Dea
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10 Aug 2013 16:13 |
Liverpool, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Mary Fazakerley Name: Mary Fazakerley Birth Year: abt 1896 Age: 25 Marriage Date: 29 Jan 1921 Parish: Everton, Christ Church Spouse's Name: Joseph Massey - Store keeper aged 26 Father's Name: Henry Fazakerley - Caster or Carter ? (There is also the name William added above which looks like it is a middle name for him?) Spouse Father's Name: Charles Massey - Electrician Reference Number: 283 CST/3/6
witnesses William Gregory and Amy Knowles.
Address for both - 60 Thomaston St
Dea x
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Dea
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10 Aug 2013 16:15 |
1911 census transcription details for: 76 Thomaston Street Kirkdale Liverpool Print Close
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN22444 RG78PN1323 RD455 SD6 ED1 SN168 Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: Kirkdale Parish: Kirkdale Enum. District: 1 Address: 76 Thomaston Street Kirkdale Liverpool County: Lancashire Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born MASSEY, Charles Head Married M 36 1875 Electrician On Steamship Seagoing Liverpool MASEY, Sarah Wife Married 19 years F 39 1872 Lancs Liverpool MASSEY, Margaret Daughter Single F 18 1893 Shop Assistant Lancs Liverpool MASSEY, Joseph Son Single M 16 1895 Electrician On Steamships Seagoing Lancs Liverpool MASSEY, Amy Daughter F 14 1897 Shop Assistant Lancs Liverpool MASSEY, Eva Daughter F 12 1899 School Lancs Liverpool MASSEY, Lily Daughter F 8 1903 Lancs Liverpool MASSEY, Evyline Daughter F 8 1903 Lancs Liverpool MASSEY, Charlotte Daughter F 2 1909 Lancs Liverpool MASSEY, Charles Son M 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Lancs Liverpool
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Mary
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10 Aug 2013 16:17 |
They were married 29/1/1921 at Christ church everton according to a tree on Ancestry.co.uk
1911 76,Thomaston street Krikdale registration district 455 Joseph Massey born @ 1895 an Electrician His parents were Charles and Sarah Massey.
1911 6,Zante St Kirkdale Reg District 455 May Fazackerely born 1895.
Could he be your Joseph??they are in the same district.
Maryb
Edit sorry 2 minutes too late
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KathleenBell
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10 Aug 2013 16:21 |
If the above is correct then this is the family in 1901:-
1901 census transcription details for: 123, Fountains Road, Kirkdale
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 3469 Folio: 132 Page: 13 Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: Kirkdale Parish: Kirkdale Enum. District: 29 Ecclesiastical District: St Athanasius City/Municipal Borough: Address: 123, Fountains Road, Kirkdale County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MASSEY, Charles Head Married M 26 1875 Electricians Assistant Liverpool MASSEY, Sarah Wife Married F 28 1873 Liverpool MASSEY, Margeret Daughter F 8 1893 Liverpool MASSEY, Joseph Son Single M 6 1895 Liverpool<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< MASSEY, Amy Daughter Single F 4 1897 Liverpool MASSEY, Evaline Daughter Single F 2 1899 Liverpool MASSEY, Sarah Daughter Single F 0 (8 MOS) 1901 Liverpool MASSEY, Margeret Mother Widow F 51 1850 Liverpool
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KathleenBell
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10 Aug 2013 16:24 |
Possible birth:-
Name: MASSEY, Joseph Registration district: West Derby County: Lancashire Year of registration: 1895 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 8B Page no: 383
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Jayne
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10 Aug 2013 16:24 |
Wow I think this could be him!!!
His wife's father Henry was a caster on a census and the name Charles ties in with his first son ( I know that I should make assumptions )
All the details for fazakerley are definitely correct.
Thankyou everyone, I can't believe how you've done this but it's amazing. I got to the point I thought he was just dropped from the sky. I honestly couldn't work it out.
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KathleenBell
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10 Aug 2013 16:26 |
Possibly his parent's marriage:-
Name: MASSEY, Charles Registration district: West Derby County: Lancashire Year of registration: 1892 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 8B Page no: 635
MarriageFinder: Charles Massey married one of the following people:
CLEWES, Ann DOVER, Sarah<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< POWELL, Annetta Isadorie
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Dea
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10 Aug 2013 16:28 |
Jayne - don't order the marriage cert as you can download a copy of the original cert in the Parish Register from Ancestry.
If you do not have access to this - let me know and I will try to send you a copy.
Dea x
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Jayne
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10 Aug 2013 16:57 |
Hi Dea, I don't have access to ancestry. How much does it cost to download the copy of the original?
Jayne.
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Dea
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10 Aug 2013 17:05 |
Don't worry - I have a sub .
I will try to attach a copy to a pm to you but I am not very 'techie' so I am not sure if it will get through ;-)
I will do it now........
Dea x
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Dea
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10 Aug 2013 17:08 |
Well, - I have sent it - let me know if all is O.K.
Dea x
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Gwyn in Kent
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10 Aug 2013 17:30 |
Joseph was a witness at this marriage
Name: Amy Massey Birth Year: abt 1898 Age: 22 Marriage Date: 31 Jan 1920 Parish: Everton, Christ Church Spouse's Name: John Abraham Knowles ............electrician Father's Name: Charles Massey ..........electrician Spouse Father's Name: Abraham Knowles Reference Number: 283 CST/3/6
Address for both 60 Thormoston Street.
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Gwyn in Kent
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10 Aug 2013 17:34 |
Joseph a witness here too.
Evaline also was of 60 Thormoston Street.
Name: Evaline Massey Birth Year: abt 1899 Age: 20 Marriage Date: 18 Aug 1919 Parish: Everton, Christ Church Spouse's Name: Thomas Edward Edwards Father's Name: Charles Massey ..........................................electrician Spouse Father's Name: Edward Moston Edwards Reference Number: 283 CST/3/6
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Jayne
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10 Aug 2013 18:01 |
Dea, Thankyou :-) made my day, honestly I can't tell you just how much.
Gwyn, Thankyou also. One day I can't find anything about him and the next he's all over the place. The info you posted will be very helpful, thanks.
Jayne.
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