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Help - reached a brick wall!
Looking for birth details, parents and siblings of William Henry Pepperrell born approx 1796 (St Giles Middlesex). Married to Elizabeth Gilbert in 1815 at St Clement Dane, Westminster whose father was Joseph Gilbert. Any help appreciated.
In hopeful anticipation.

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19 was rather young for a marriage in those days..............

This looks more likely.............

1851 census

Person: PEPPERELL, William Address: 21, Brewer Street, Saint James Clerkenwell, Finsbury

PEPPERELL, William Head Married M 59 1792 Diamond Jeweller
St Giles, Middlesex VIEW
PEPPERELL, Elizabeth Wife Married F 60 1791
Salisbury, Wiltshire VIEW
PEPPERELL, James Son Unmarried M 22 1829 Silversmith
Liberty of the Rolls, Middlesex VIEW
FRENCH, George Grand Son Unmarried M 14 1837 Scholar
Marylebone, Middlesex

The marriage record does not show a second forename..............

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1841 census transcription details for: Rahere Street, St Luke, City Road, West, Finsbury
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 667
Book/Folio: 1/42
Page: 3
Reg. District: St Luke
Sub District: Old Street
Parish: St Luke
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Finsbury
Address: Rahere Street, St Luke, City Road, West, Finsbury
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BLEWETT, Edward M 45 1796
BLEWETT, Parthenia F 45 1796
BLEWETT, Edward M 14 1827 Middlesex
BLEWETT, Charles M 9 1832 Middlesex
BLEWETT, Elizabeth F 6 1835 Middlesex
BENNETT, Thomas M 20 1821
WEIR, Alexander M 20 1821 Scotland
PEPPERELL, William jeweller M 45 1796 Middlesex
PEPPERELL, Elizabeth F 50 1791
PEPPERELL, James M 13 1828 Middlesex
PEPPERELL, Edmund M 8 1833 Middlesex

Name: Edmund George Pepperrell
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 15 Sep 1833
Christening Place: St. Andrew, Holborn, Middlesex, England
Father's Name: William Henry Pepperrell
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Pepperrell
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04035-5
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 374359
Reference ID: v 23 p 227

Name: Sophia Mary Pepperell
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 03 Nov 1824
Christening Place: St. Andrew's, Holborn, Middlesex, England
Father's Name: William Pepperell
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05814-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 374358
Reference ID: p33 n261

Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record
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Groom's First names: William
Groom's surname: Pepperell
Groom's parish: St Clement Danes
Groom's Age:
Marriage year: 1815
Marriage month: Mar
Marriage day: 27
Parish: St Clement Danes
County: Middlesex
Bride's First names: Elizabeth
Bride's surname: Gilbert
Bride's parish: St Clement Danes
Bride's Age:
Record source: Westminster Marriages- Transcripts
Data provider: Westminster Archives


Elizabeth Gilbert is a widow. Witnesses were Mary Amelia Lynch and John Lynch.



EDIT Both parties were 'of this Parish.'

Name: William Pepperell
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Male
Age: 45
Birthplace: Middlesex
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: St Luke
Sub-District: Old Street
Parish: St Luke
County: Middlesex

Name: William Pepperell
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1815
Event Place: St Clement Danes, Middlesex, England
Age:
Birth Year (Estimated):
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Gilbert
GS Film number: 0574462
Digital Folder Number: 005109091
Image Number: 00305

forgot to say "Welcome to the boards" :-)

Ann Pepperell 24 Aug 1817 William Henry Pepperell, jeweller of 19 Mays Building
Elizabeth Pepperell Westminster St Martin in the Fields Westminster

Eliza Pepperell 12 Oct 1823 born 14 Nov 1822 William Pepperell, jeweller of St Giles
Elizabeth Pepperell Westminster St Anne Soho Westminster

Sophia Mary Pepperell 3 Nov 1824 born 13 Feb 1824 William Pepperell, jeweller of Kirby St
Elizabeth Pepperell St Andrew Holborn City of London

Edmund George Pepperell 15 Sep 1833 born 23 Apr 1833 William Henry Pepperell, jeweller
Elizabeth Pepperrell St Andrew Holborn City of London

If Elizabeth Gilbert was a widow on that 1815 marriage then wouldn't that be her previously married name and not her maiden name?

How, therefore, could that particular woman's father be Joseph Gilbert?

Thank you for your efforts and quick responses. The difference in dob for William on the 1851 and 1841 census is confusing - the family members appear to be the same in both census records though. I'm really looking for a way to trace Williams parents. Can't find anything online in parish records. - has anybody got any bright ideas?

Thanks
Steve

1841 census rounded down the ages of over-15's to the nearest 5

The County Records office seems to be the only likely source of info

And....you may need to re-think your 'info' about Elizabeth's father.............

Thanks Reggie,
Would you please let me know why I should think ELizabeths father ?
Steve
I didn't quite understand your previous posts

Read.......carefully........alviegal's post timed at 22:37 on the 8th

Thanks I see that Gilbert is her maiden name. Will now look for her previous marriage record. Steve

Steven, Gilbert isn't her maiden name!

If she married as Gilbert then that would be her married name NOT her maiden name. When a woman is widowed and remarries she does so in her current married name.

So the Elizabeth Gilbert who married in 1815 would have had a different surname when she was born. So, if you are looking for an Elizabeth Gilbert who had a father Joseph Gilbert it's quite likely not this one.

I think you need to review how you've connected to these people and then we'll try to make sure everything's on the right track.

I meant this bit!


"Elizabeth Gilbert is a widow. Witnesses were Mary Amelia Lynch and John Lynch."

So Elizabeth had been married BEFORE................

Where did you get the info about her father's name?

Which, if any, of these people is your PROVEN direct ancestor?