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Hello Potty
I am afraid I have made a faux pas.I started a new thread for my new query but I guess I should have left it on this one.Thomas 's father's name was Thomas,profession turner
Regards
Wendy

What is Thomas's father's name on the marriage cert?

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Hello Everyone
Today I received the copy of Thomas and Louisa's marriage certificate.
They married in St Giles on 7/061875.
I also have Henry Thomas's birth certificate for 11/03/1866.Mother was the above Louisa Bales.
The birth certificate says Thomas (c1830) was a pensioner of the 19th Hussars.This could be why I can't find him in 1851 and 1861.Please does any one have an idea where I could research his army career.
Regards
Wendy

Thank you everybody
As usual you have come up trumps.I have sent for the marriage certificate of Thomas and Louisa.I have also sent for the birth certificate of Harry/Henry (1866) which will I hope tell me if his mother was Louisa Bales or Louisa ??
Regards
Wendy

1841 St James Clerkenwell Middlesex. D21
Jane Margrath 45 Independent born Ireland? Says Magrath on actual view.
James 15
John 13
Thomas 9

This could be the same family as on 1871 census it states Thomas born Clerkenwell.

Maryb.

McGrath Thomas Burial date 16 Mar 1888 Authority London Borough of Camden Location St Pancras Cemetery

(above if him, on below)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

Chris :)

Thank you Potty
Her mother was Louisa ,not sure why she was Elizabeth on the baptism record. Thomas had two children by his first wife .That would be Eliza and Henry,he married Louisa Smith 3/11/1846.
Wendy

Possible for Louisa in 1851, but mother is Louisa:


1851 England Census
about Louisa Bales




Name:
Louisa Bales

Age:
4

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1847

Relation:
Daughter

Father's Name:
Thomas Bales

Mother's Name:
Lousa Bales

Gender:
F (Female)

Where born:
Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England



Civil Parish:
St Pancras

County/Island:
Middlesex

Country:
England




Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:



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Registration District:
Pancras

Sub-registration District:
Grays Inn Lane

ED, institution, or vessel:
1

Neighbors:
View others on page

Household Schedule Number:
312

Piece:
1495

Folio:
33

Page Number:
58

Household Members:


Name

Age

Thomas Bales 35
Lousa Bales 33
Eliza Bales 11
Henry Bales 8
Louisa Bales 4
Mary Ann Bales 2
Susan Bales Under A Month

Possible baptism for the Mary Ann above:


Name:
Mary Ann Bales

Record Type:
Baptism

Baptism Date:
24 Mar 1849

Father's Name:
Thomas Bales

Mother's Name:
Louisa Bales

Parish or Poor Law Union:
St Pancras Old St Pancras

Borough:
Camden

Register Type:
Parish Registers

Hi Safc
That is so possible.If so I wonder why they didn't marry until 1875.Louisa McGrath née Bales came from St Pancras.The child fits in.
Thank you so much I will have a look
Wendy

????

Thomas Macragh, "England and Wales Census, 1871"
Name: Thomas Macragh
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: St Giles
Sub-District: St Giles, North
Parish: St Giles
County: London, Middlesex
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Thomas Macragh M 40 Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Wife Louisa Macragh F 26 St Pancras, Middlesex
Son Harry Macragh M 5 St Pancras, Middlesex
Lodger John Riley M 60 Ireland
Lodger Patrick Dolly M 50 Ireland
Lodger Terence Connor M 18 Ireland


Births Dec 1866 (>99%)
McGrath Henry J Westminster 1a 358

Thank You KempinaPartyhat

Yes the above record is for Louisa Sarah Bales.

And yes I am sure that Thomas McGrath married Louisa Sarah Bales.I have children's birth certificates which state that mother's maiden name was Bales.

Thank you all for trying to help,it was I know a long shot

Regards
Wendy

This "seems " to be the only!! louisa sarah in the london area!!


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Louisa Sarah Bales
Name:

Louisa Sarah Bales
Record Type:

Baptism
Baptism Date:

24 Apr 1847
Father's Name: Thomas Bales
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Bales
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough:

Camden
Register Type:
Parish Registers

Is her maiden name Bales?

Or are you unsure of this to?

Hi
I've searched under every misspelling of McGrath known to man.

After being reminded that perhaps the two elder children were Louisa's I have again looked for an earlier marriage for her.No Luck.I also cannot find her in 1871 ???????.I had thought that this was because she had married but as I have said I can't find a record for it.

Here is a baptism closer to the POB given in 1881:


Name:
Thomas James McGrath

Record Type:
Baptism

Baptism Date:
20 Aug 1826

Father's Name:
Michael McGrath, mariner

Mother's Name:
Rebecca McGrath

Parish or Poor Law Union:
Holborn St Giles in the Fields

Borough:
Camden

Register Type:
Parish Registers

As the name is spelt differently on the marriage index, have you searched under Magrath ?

Marriage of Louisa Sarah and Thomas 1875 St Giles.London June Qtr 1B 831.
Thomas's name was spelt Magrath.

The two older children could have been Louisa's and have taken Thomas name.

Can you post more details of the marriage, as I can't find it on freebmd.

Hi
He definately died in 1888.Louisa is a widow in 1891/1901/1911.

I have today sent for his marriage certificate,which can only give me his father's name. I was hoping to find him on the census.This may have told me a name for a previous wife and what he was doing in the 46 years before he married Louisa.

I can find it on ancestry!