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26 Jul 2013 00:40 |
Name: Alexander Forbes
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: ABERDEEN, Aberdeen, Scotland
Civil Parish: Plumstead
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 53 Basildon Road, Plumstead, Kent SE
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: IRON TURNER
Registration District: Woolwich
Registration District Number: 30
Sub-registration District: Plumstead East
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 2918
Household Members:
Name
Age
Alexander Forbes 36 Ellen Forbes 33 Ida Forbes 8 Helen Forbes 1 Charles Read 14
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26 Jul 2013 01:22 |
Assuming the children were born in Woolwich, the birth cert will give you mother's maiden name and you can then look for a marriage, which may be in Scotland?
Births Jun 1903 (>99%) FORBES Ida Hope C Woolwich 1d 1305
Births Dec 1909 (>99%) Forbes Helen Margaret Woolwich 1d 1200
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26 Jul 2013 01:28 |
Alexander and Ellen had been married about 9 years Ellen was born in Belvedere Ida in Plumstead Helen in Plumstead
Charles Read, a visiting cousin, in Woolwich.
To find Ellen's maiden name, it might be best to purchase one of the children's BC. eg
Births Jun 1903 (>99%) FORBES Ida Hope C Woolwich 1d 1305
Births Dec 1909 (>99%) Forbes Helen Margaret Woolwich 1d 1200
This could be the marriage, but there are 2 x Ellen
Name: Alexander Forbes Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1901 Registration District: Strand Inferred County: London Volume Number: 1b Page Number: 1119 Records on Page: Name Alexander Forbes >>>>Ellen Judge William Briggs Parkinson >>>>Ellen Whitton
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26 Jul 2013 01:52 |
Hmmm.... could be a wild goose chase. Dartford is the reg district of Belvedere.
Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1954 about Juliet Ellen Forbes Name: Juliet Ellen Forbes Arrival Date: 30 Jan 1927 Port of Arrival: Buffalo, New York, United States Accompanied by: Daughter Helen M Arrival Contact: Sister John Forbes Departure Contact: Aunt Mrs. Clara Reid Age: 49 Birth Date: 30 Oct 1877 Birth Place: Dartford Birth Country: England Gender: Female Race/Nationality: English Record has photo?: No Record Type: Cards
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26 Jul 2013 01:55 |
He married Ellen Judge
Births Sep 1913 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parkinson Ena Whitton Wandsworth 1d 1404
This couple were living in Wandsworth in 1911
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26 Jul 2013 02:15 |
Not seeing a birth for an Ellen or Juliet Ellen Judge in Dartford reg or Woolwich reg.
To confirm Ellen's maiden name, it might be best to start with one of the girl's BC then progress to the MC if it fits.
What struck me with border crossing was the born in Dartford daughter Margaret M Aunt Clara Reid....Read from cousin in 1911?
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26 Jul 2013 05:57 |
Many thanks for all your hard work, I will send for one of the children's BC.
Thanks Sandra
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26 Jul 2013 07:24 |
(if any use later, found below)
Groom's First names:Alexander (Bachelor. Engineer) Groom's surname:Forbes Groom's parish: Groom's Age:27 Marriage year:1901 Marriage month:Dec Marriage day:24 Parish:St Martin-In-The-Fields County:Middlesex Bride's First names:Ellen (Spinster) Bride's surname:Judge Bride's parish: Bride's Age:24 Record source:Westminster Marriages- Transcripts Data provider:Westminster Archives (Parents, Arthur Forbes. Carpenter. Joseph Judge (deceased) Engineer. Witnesses, Stephen Judge, Alice Judge)
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26 Jul 2013 07:36 |
Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------ JUDGE Eliza Marylebone 1a 1121 READ Enos William Marylebone 1a 1121
1901 READ, Enos W Head Married M 37 1864 Farmer Kingsdown, Kent READ, Eliza Wife Married F 39 1862 Belvedere, Kent READ, Edward J Son M 13 1888 East Wickham, Kent READ, Charlotte E Daughter F 11 1890 Wilmington, Kent READ, Enos Son M 9 1892 Plumstead, Kent READ, Jessie Daughter F 6 1895 Plumstead, Kent READ, Charles Son M 4 1897 Plumstead, Kent READ, Nellie Daughter F 0 (1 MOS) 1901 Plumstead, Kent MOOR, Esther E Servant F 15 1886 General Servant Domestic East Wickham, Kent Piece: 577 Folio: 43 Page: 78 Registration District: Woolwich Civil Parish: Plumstead Municipal Borough: Address: Clock House Farm, Shooters Hill, Plumstead County: London
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edits (Charles Read above might be wrong one, looking at below)
Name: Eliza Judge Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Age: 24 Spouse Name: Enos William Read Spouse Age: 22 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 5 Dec 1886 Parish: St Marylebone Borough: Westminster Father Name: Stephen Judge (Grocer) Spouse Father Name: Enos Read Register Type: Parish Register
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26 Jul 2013 10:00 |
Good one Chris Ho re the 1901 marriage. Which site did you find that on please?
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26 Jul 2013 10:54 |
(sorry folks, forgot to add!, found on Find My Past)
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26 Jul 2013 11:37 |
It might help to trace Ellen - I believe these are the witnesses Stephen and Alice on Ellen's marriage in 1901:
Marriages Dec 1894 (>99%) Griffin Rose Maud Woolwich 1d 1854 Scan available - click to view ***HOGBEN Alice Woolwich 1d 1854 Scan available - click to view ***Judge Stephen Woolwich 1d 1854 Scan available - click to view Whines Robert William Woolwich 1d 1854 Scan available - click to view
1901 census transcription details for: 4, Ceres Road, Plumstead Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 576 Folio: 61 Page: 48 Reg. District: Woolwich Sub District: Plumstead East Parish: Plumstead Enum. District: 26 Ecclesiastical District: St Nicholas City/Municipal Borough: Address: 4, Ceres Road, Plumstead County: London Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born JUDGE, Steph Head Married M 46 1855 Mechl Engineer Arsl Belvedere, Kent JUDGE, Alice Wife Married F 31 1870 Plumstead, London JUDGE, Fredk S Son Single M 23 1878 Bricklayer Plumstead, London JUDGE, Jessie E Daughter Single F 18 1883 Plumstead, London JUDGE, Ethel M Daughter F 11 1890 Plumstead, London JUDGE, Ida N Daughter F 4 1897 Plumstead, London JUDGE, Arth W Son M 2 1899 Plumstead, London JUDGE, Albert E Son M 0 (8 MOS) 1901 Plumstead, London HOGBEN, Fred J Brother-In-Law Single M 25 1876 Examr Cartridges Arsl Plumstead, London
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26 Jul 2013 11:43 |
It looks like this Stephen is a brother to the Eliza who married Enos ??
1871 census transcription details for: Albert Road General Shop, Erith Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 882 Folio: 47 Page: 6 Reg. District: Dartford Sub District: Bexley Parish: Erith Enum. District: 23 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Albert Road General Shop, Erith County: Kent Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born JUDGE, Mary A Head F 42 1829 Kent JUDGE, Stephen Son M 16 1855 Kent JUDGE, Kezia Daughter F 14 1857 Kent JUDGE, Naonia Daughter F 11 1860 Kent JUDGE, Eliza Daughter F 9 1862 Kent PRESCOTT, Sarah Mother F 77 1794 Kent PERRIT, David Visitor M 8 1863 Not Known PERRIT, William Visitor M 6 1865
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26 Jul 2013 11:44 |
Sorry - Have to go off for a while - will continue when I get back.
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26 Jul 2013 12:18 |
Baptism County Kent Place Belvedere (Erith) Church All Saints RegisterNumber 30 DateOfBirth 10 Jan 1862 BaptismDate 20 Apr 1862 Forename Eliza Sex F FatherForename Stephen MotherForename Mary Anne FatherSurname JUDGE MotherSurname Abode Lesness Heath FatherOccupation Grocer
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
1861 JUDGE, Stephen Head Married M 42 1819 Grocer Plumstead, Kent JUDGE, Mary A Wife Married F 33 1828 Erith, Kent JUDGE, Sarah Daughter F 10 1851 Hampstead, Middlesex JUDGE, Stephen Son M 6 1855 Erith, Kent JUDGE, Kezia Daughter F 4 1857 Erith, Kent JUDGE, Naomi Daughter F 1 1860 Erith, Kent PRESCOTT, Sarah Mother In Law Widow F 68 1793 Almswoman Woolwich, Kent Piece: 466 Folio: 83 Page: 4 Registration District: Dartford Civil Parish: Erith Municipal Borough: Address: Heath House, Essex Place, Erith County: Kent
1881? JUDGE, Mary Ann Head Widow F 53 1828 General Dealer Lessness Heath, Kent JUDGE, Sarah J Daughter Single F 31 1850 Hampstead, Middlesex JUDGE, Eliza Daughter Single F 20 1861 Dressmaker Lessness Heath, Kent JUDGE, Nelly Grand Daughter Single F 4 1877 Bexley Heath, Kent WOOD, Samuel Lodger Single M 36 1845 Decorator Nottingham, Oxfordshire Piece: 864 Folio: 17 Page: 28 Registration District: Dartford Civil Parish: Erith Municipal Borough: Address: 32, Albert Road, Erith County: Kent
(Yes Dea, got this far this morning, things started to look confusing!)
Chris :)
1901 (possible Alexander) BROWN, John Head Married M 51 1850 Turner Civil Engineer Scotland BROWN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 49 1852 Dunstable, Bedfordshire BROWN, John A Son Single M 21 1880 Clerk School Bd London Plumstead BROWN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 26 1875 Dressmaker Enfield, Middlesex FORBES, Alexander Boarder Single M 26 1875 Engineers Turner Scotland DALE, Alexander R Boarder Single M 23 1878 Engineers Turner Scotland Piece: 572 Folio: 57 Page: 28 Registration District: Woolwich Civil Parish: Plumstead Municipal Borough: Address: 86, Bramblebury Road, Plumstead County: London
1901 ? JUDGE, Nellie Servant Single F 23 1878 General Serv (Domestic) Belverdere, Kent Piece: 571 Folio: 129 Page: 13 Registration District: Woolwich Civil Parish: Plumstead Municipal Borough: Address: 185, Eglinton Road, Plumstead County: London
(perhaps better to wait on Birth Cert. Sandra is ordering, to make sure of Maiden name for Ellen)
edits (just adding 1911 again)
FORBES, Alexander Head Married M 36 1875 Iron Turner R L Laby Dept (Royal Arsenal, Woolwich) Aberdeenshire Alberdeen Resident FORBES, Ellen Wife Married9 years F 33 1878 Kent Belvedere FORBES, Ida Daughter F 3 1908 London Plumstead FORBES, Helen Daughter F 1 1910 London Plumstead READ, Charles Cousin M 14 1897 Disengaged Just Left School London Woolwich RG number: RG14 Piece: 2918 Reference: RG14PN2918 RG78PN100 RD30 SD4 ED13 SN344 Registration District: Woolwich Sub District: Plumstead East Enumeration District: 13 Parish: Plumstead Address: 53 Basildon Road Plumstead Kent S E County: London
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26 Jul 2013 13:47 |
I thank you all very much for all the hard work you have all put in, I have ordered the BC of Ida, but looking at the info Chris Ho has put on this is not the Alexander I am looking for,as soon as I saw his father's name was Arthur, that's not the father of my Alexander.
Sorry again.
Thank you Sandra
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26 Jul 2013 14:00 |
Well, do you know what Alexander's father's name was, then?
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26 Jul 2013 14:23 |
Well this is Alexander with father Arthur!! - Looks like a 'fit' to me???
1881 census transcription details for: Tannfield Walk Woodbine Cot, Old Machar Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 1682 Folio: 49 Page: 6 Reg. District: Old Machar Sub District: Parish: Old Machar Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Tannfield Walk Woodbine Cot, Old Machar County: Aberdeenshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born FORBES, Arthur Head Married M 40 1841 House Carpenter Jour Inverurie, Aberdeenshire FORBES, Mary Wife Married F 32 1849 Echt, Aberdeenshire FORBES, James Son M 8 1873 Scholar Woodside, Aberdeenshire FORBES, Alexander Son M 6 1875 Scholar Woodside, Aberdeenshire FORBES, William Son M 4 1877 Scholar Woodside, Aberdeenshire FORBES, John Son M 2 1879 Woodside, Aberdeenshire FORBES, Charles Son M 0 1881 Woodside, Aberdeenshire
1891 census transcription details for: Mary Hill Cottage, Old Machar Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 168 Folio: 3 Page: 57 Reg. District: Woodside Sub District: Parish: Old Machar Enum. District: 3 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Mary Hill Cottage, Old Machar County: Aberdeenshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born FORBES, Arthur Head Married M 51 1840 House Carpenter Inverurie, Aberdenshire FORBES, Mary Wife Married F 43 1848 Echt, Aberdenshire FORBES, Alexander Son Unmarried M 16 1875 Engine Fitters Apprentice Woodside, Aberdenshire FORBES, Arthur Son Unmarried M 15 1876 Irongmongors Apprentice Woodside, Aberdenshire FORBES, John Son Unmarried M 12 1879 Scholar Woodside, Aberdenshire FORBES, Charles Son M 10 1881 Scholar Woodside, Aberdenshire FORBES, George Son M 8 1883 Scholar Woodside, Aberdenshire FORBES, Robert Son M 3 1888 Woodside, Aberdenshire FORBES, Mary Daughter F 1 1890 Woodside, Aberdenshire
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26 Jul 2013 15:27 |
Thank you Dea and Potty, its complicated this and I think I have went about it in the wrong way because I am now just clutching at straws, a cousin of my husband who died recently led me to believe that the person I am looking for may have dropped his first christian name and went by his second christian name, I should have asked if someone could find the parents of this couple and that would have ruled this out,please dont be angry if ive made a mistake.
The person I am looking for is Edward Alexander Forbes, born 5/1/1876 in 100 Commerce St. Aberdeen, his mother was Johan Forbes nee Rae, no father for Edward, I have him on 1881 cenus with his mother age 4 then 1891 census aged 14, I cant find him after that, his mother died 1/1/1901 in the poorhouse in Aberdeen, but I cant find Edward, I have spent many days in the records office here and I cant find a marriage or death for him, I have asked for help before with this but I dont know how you find previous threads.
His mother had 4 children after 1864 when her husband died, no fathers on any BC, I think their middle names are the fathers, its been really difficult to find this family, but I managed, but Edward has never been found, I keep going back and looking, but as I said Im clutching at straws now, I think this maybe is the time to admit defeat and let it go.
Again please accept my apologies everyone who helped on this.
Regards Sandra :-(
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26 Jul 2013 17:04 |
Sandra, to find your threads, click on My Threads (in drop down menu under Community, at top of screen). There is an option to just view the threads you have stared.
So, are you just assuming that the Alexander in the 1911 is the man you are looking for?
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