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I KNOW NEVER MIND BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP IF YOU DO THINK OF ANY THING I BE PLEASED SO TAKE CARE :-)

I know Christine, I've done the same. I don't like to admit it, but I'm stumped. :-( :-( :-(

HI ALVIEGAL YES THE NAME IS DIFFERENT AGAIN BUT YES THIS IS THE FAMILY MAY BE THEY SPOKE WITH A IRISH TONE I LOOKED FOR PATRICK JNR INTHE NAME OF PHELAN BUT STILL NO BIRTH CERTIFACATE EVEN THOUGH THIS LOOKS LIKE THE FAMILY :-)

Patrick snr in 1851 just to show how the name has changed. Phelan is a big change though.


1851 census transcription details for: 12, Three Cup Alley, Saint Paul Shadwell, Tower Hamlets
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1550
Folio: 463
Page: 47
Reg. District: Stepney
Sub District: Shadwell
Parish: Saint Paul Shadwell
Enum. District: 2K
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlets
Address: 12, Three Cup Alley, Saint Paul Shadwell, Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SPELLAN, Daniel Head Married M 40 1811 Coal Whipper
Cork, Ireland
SPELLAN, Bridget Wife Married F 28 1823
Longhrea, Ireland
SPELLAN, Catharine Daughter F 9 1842
St George, Middlesex
SPELLAN, Thomas Son M 7 1844
St George, Middlesex
>SPELLAN, Patrick Son M 0 (10 MOS) 1851
Shadwell, Middlesex
FORD, Patrick Lodger Unmarried M 35 1816 Ballast Heaver
Longhrea, Ireland

HI THELMA JUST READ1891CENSUS WHAT YOU FOUND YES THIS DOES SOUND AS IF THERE NAME CHANGED EVERY THING ADDS UP THIS HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD HELP AND I SHALL LOOK MORE INTO IT I LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE WHO HAS REPLYED AND IF THERE IS ANY MORE I BE PLEASED TO HAVE THE INFORMATION :-)

THANK YOU THELMA IT SEEMS THAT IT MAYBE ESTHER WAS NOT MY GRANFATHERS MOTHER I CAN NOT VIEW FOR SOME REASON THE PATRICK SNELLING AND PATRICK SPELLING 1C 823 ARE THESE BIRTHS :-)

?? probably nothing to do with census below.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Patrick Cusack Phelan
Name: Patrick Cusack Phelan
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1884
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 164



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Patrick Cusack Phelan
Name: Patrick Cusack Phelan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1887
Age at Death: 2
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 120


Well done Thelma, this does look like them. Image does read Phelan.


1891 census transcription details for: 83, Cosh's Buildings, Collingwood Street, Ratcliff
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 293
Folio: 75
Page: 25
Reg. District: Stepney
Sub District: Ratcliff
Parish: Ratcliff
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: St James Ratcliff
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 83, Cosh's Buildings, Collingwood Street, Ratcliff
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
PHELAN, Patrick Head Married M 41 1850 Coal Porter
London
PHELAN, Esther Wife Married F 40 1851
London
PHELAN, Mary Daughter Single F 18 1873
London
PHELAN, Esther Daughter Single F 14 1877 Scholar
London
PHELAN, Patrick Son Single M 8 1883 Scholar
London

Sorry my FMP is not working properly.
Last name First name Born Died Event Category
SPELLING ESTHER 1851 — 1881 Census Shadwell, Stepney, London, England
PHELAN ESTHER 1851 — 1891 Census Ratcliff, Stepney, London, England

SPELLING ESTHER MARIA 1851 1908 1908 Deaths & burials Stepney, London, England

SPILLING ESTHER 1851 — 1901 Census Shadwell, Stepney, London, England

SPELING ESTHER 1851 — 1871 Census Shadwell, Stepney, London, England

YES THIS IS THE FAMILY BUT THERE IS NO SIGN OF MY GRANFATHER IN THE CENSERS I KNOW THE ELDEST SON THOMAS(PATRICKS BROTHER)WAS MARRIED BY 1901 MAYBE MY GRANFATHER WAS A LOVE CHILD BUT HOW WOULD WE KNOW WHEN THER IS NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS THERE ANY THINK YOU MAY SUGGEST :-)

1891 England Census
CENSUS & ELECTORAL ROLLSView Image
NAME: Patrick Phelan
MOTHER: Esther Phelan
FATHER: Patrick Phelan
BIRTH: abt 1883 - London, England
RESIDENCE: 1891 - city, London, England
Sorry no access
Esther Maria Ince


Marriages Mar 1871 (>99%)
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Ince Esther Mile End 1c 823 Scan available - click to view
Snelling Patrick Mile End 1c 823 Scan available - click to view
Spilling Patrick Mile End 1c 823 Scan available - click to view
Thurston Henry John Mile End 1c 823 Scan available - click to view
Watling Mary Ann Mile End 1c 823 Scan available - click to view

His father.

1911 census transcription details for: 14 Peabody Buildings N Block Shadwell E
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN1538 RG78PN54 RD20 SD1 ED9 SN420
Reg. District: Stepney
Sub District: Shadwell & Ratcliff
Parish: Shadwell
Enum. District: 9
Address: 14 Peabody Buildings N Block Shadwell E
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
SPELLING, Patrick Head Widower M 61 1850 Coal Porter Shadwell London


1901 census transcription details for: 117, High Street, Shadwell
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 316
Folio: 5
Page: 1
Reg. District: Stepney
Sub District: Shadwell
Parish: Shadwell
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: St Pauls Shadwell
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 117, High Street, Shadwell
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SPILLING, Patrick Head Married M 51 1850 Coal Porter
Shadwell, London
SPILLING, Esther Wife Married F 50 1851
Stepney, London

1881 census transcription details for: 2, Spring Garden Pl, Shadwell
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 460
Folio: 98
Page: 17
Reg. District: Stepney
Sub District: Shadwell
Parish: Shadwell
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 2, Spring Garden Pl, Shadwell
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SPELLING, Patrick Head Married M 31 1850 Coal Whipper
Shadwell, Middlesex
SPELLING, Esther Wife Married F 30 1851
Shadwell, Middlesex
SPELLING, Thomas Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
Shadwell, Middlesex
SPELLING, Mary Ann Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Shadwell, Middlesex
SPELLING, Esther Daughter Single F 0 1881
Shadwell, Middlesex

THANK YOU YES YOU HAVE THE RIGHT PATRICK AND WIFE CATHERINE IT DOES SAY ON ARMY PAPERS FATHER IS PATRICK AND I KNOW THAT HE WAS MARRIED TO ESTHER INCE BUT THERE IS NO RECORD OF BIRTH FOR MY GRANFATHER PATRICK 1883 BUT THERE IS BIRTH CERTIFICATES FOR THE REST OF PATRICK AND ESTHERS CHILDREN SO I AM WONDERING IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO FIND OUT IF ESTHER IS HIS MOTHER :-)

He was discharged in July 1902 by payment of £10. This was paid by his father, Patrick Spelling who lived at 14 Peabodys Building, North Block, Shadwell London. He had an elder brother, Thomas. He was a RC.


British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about Patrick Spelling
Name: Patrick Spelling
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Age at enlistment: 18
Birth Parish: Shadwell
Birth County: Middlesex
Document Year: 1902
Regimental Number: 5507
Regiment Name: Hussars of Ifr Luice
Number of images: 5

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Patrick J Spelling
Name: Patrick J Spelling
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Sep 1954
Age at Death: 71
Registration District: Stepney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 495

That 1911.

1911 census transcription details for: 458 Cable St Shadwell E
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN1538 RG78PN54 RD20 SD1 ED9 SN38
Reg. District: Stepney
Sub District: Shadwell & Ratcliff
Parish: Shadwell
Enum. District: 9
Address: 458 Cable St Shadwell E
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
SPELLING, Patrick Head Married M 27 1884 Coal Porter London Shadwell
SPELLING, Catherine Wife Married
9 years F 27 1884 London Bethnal Green
SPELLING, Samuel Son Married M 5 1906 London Shadwell
SPELLING, Ellen Daughter F 3 1908 London Shadwell
SPELLING, John Son M 1 1910 London Shadwell


They had had 5 children but 2 had died. Patrick unloaded ships.

connected? father maybe?

Name: Patrick Spelling
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 61
Birthplace: Shadwell London, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Stepney
Sub-District: Shadwell & Ratcliff
Parish: Shadwell
County: London

Name: John Spelling
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 1
Birthplace: London Shadwell, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Stepney
Sub-District: Shadwell & Ratcliff
Parish: Shadwell
County: London

Name: Ellen Spelling
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Female
Age: 3
Birthplace: London Shadwell, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Stepney
Sub-District: Shadwell & Ratcliff
Parish: Shadwell
County: London

a child?

Name: Samuel Spelling
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 5
Birthplace: London Shadwell, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Stepney
Sub-District: Shadwell & Ratcliff
Parish: Shadwell
County: London

his wife maybe?

Name: Catherine Spelling
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Female
Age: 27
Birthplace: London Bethnal Green, London
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Stepney
Sub-District: Shadwell & Ratcliff
Parish: Shadwell
County: London