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6 Jul 2013 19:47 |
CANNOT FIND NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND IS ON NO CENCERS UNTILL1903 WHEN HE MARRIED IFOUND A ARMY CALL UP 1902 I ALSO GOT DEATH CERTIFCATE 1954 WHAT ELSE CAN I DO CAN ANYONE HELP ME PLEASE :-(
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AnnCardiff
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6 Jul 2013 19:49 |
hi there Christine - welcome to the boards - I'll see if I can find something
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6 Jul 2013 19:50 |
Name: Patrick Spelling Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Gender: Male Age: 27 Birthplace: London Shadwell, London Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Stepney Sub-District: Shadwell & Ratcliff Parish: Shadwell County: London
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6 Jul 2013 19:53 |
his wife maybe?
Name: Catherine Spelling Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Gender: Female Age: 27 Birthplace: London Bethnal Green, London Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Stepney Sub-District: Shadwell & Ratcliff Parish: Shadwell County: London
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6 Jul 2013 19:53 |
a child?
Name: Samuel Spelling Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Gender: Male Age: 5 Birthplace: London Shadwell, London Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Stepney Sub-District: Shadwell & Ratcliff Parish: Shadwell County: London
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6 Jul 2013 19:54 |
Name: Ellen Spelling Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Gender: Female Age: 3 Birthplace: London Shadwell, London Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Stepney Sub-District: Shadwell & Ratcliff Parish: Shadwell County: London
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AnnCardiff
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6 Jul 2013 19:55 |
Name: John Spelling Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Gender: Male Age: 1 Birthplace: London Shadwell, London Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Stepney Sub-District: Shadwell & Ratcliff Parish: Shadwell County: London
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6 Jul 2013 19:56 |
connected? father maybe?
Name: Patrick Spelling Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Gender: Male Age: 61 Birthplace: Shadwell London, London Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Stepney Sub-District: Shadwell & Ratcliff Parish: Shadwell County: London
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alviegal
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6 Jul 2013 20:12 |
That 1911.
1911 census transcription details for: 458 Cable St Shadwell E Print Close
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN1538 RG78PN54 RD20 SD1 ED9 SN38 Reg. District: Stepney Sub District: Shadwell & Ratcliff Parish: Shadwell Enum. District: 9 Address: 458 Cable St Shadwell E County: London Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born SPELLING, Patrick Head Married M 27 1884 Coal Porter London Shadwell SPELLING, Catherine Wife Married 9 years F 27 1884 London Bethnal Green SPELLING, Samuel Son Married M 5 1906 London Shadwell SPELLING, Ellen Daughter F 3 1908 London Shadwell SPELLING, John Son M 1 1910 London Shadwell
They had had 5 children but 2 had died. Patrick unloaded ships.
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alviegal
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6 Jul 2013 20:13 |
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Patrick J Spelling Name: Patrick J Spelling Birth Date: abt 1883 Date of Registration: Sep 1954 Age at Death: 71 Registration District: Stepney Inferred County: London Volume: 5d Page: 495
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alviegal
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6 Jul 2013 20:23 |
He was discharged in July 1902 by payment of £10. This was paid by his father, Patrick Spelling who lived at 14 Peabodys Building, North Block, Shadwell London. He had an elder brother, Thomas. He was a RC.
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about Patrick Spelling Name: Patrick Spelling Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Age at enlistment: 18 Birth Parish: Shadwell Birth County: Middlesex Document Year: 1902 Regimental Number: 5507 Regiment Name: Hussars of Ifr Luice Number of images: 5
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Christine
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6 Jul 2013 20:35 |
THANK YOU YES YOU HAVE THE RIGHT PATRICK AND WIFE CATHERINE IT DOES SAY ON ARMY PAPERS FATHER IS PATRICK AND I KNOW THAT HE WAS MARRIED TO ESTHER INCE BUT THERE IS NO RECORD OF BIRTH FOR MY GRANFATHER PATRICK 1883 BUT THERE IS BIRTH CERTIFICATES FOR THE REST OF PATRICK AND ESTHERS CHILDREN SO I AM WONDERING IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO FIND OUT IF ESTHER IS HIS MOTHER :-)
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alviegal
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6 Jul 2013 20:36 |
His father.
1911 census transcription details for: 14 Peabody Buildings N Block Shadwell E Print Close
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN1538 RG78PN54 RD20 SD1 ED9 SN420 Reg. District: Stepney Sub District: Shadwell & Ratcliff Parish: Shadwell Enum. District: 9 Address: 14 Peabody Buildings N Block Shadwell E County: London Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born SPELLING, Patrick Head Widower M 61 1850 Coal Porter Shadwell London
1901 census transcription details for: 117, High Street, Shadwell Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 316 Folio: 5 Page: 1 Reg. District: Stepney Sub District: Shadwell Parish: Shadwell Enum. District: 1 Ecclesiastical District: St Pauls Shadwell City/Municipal Borough: Address: 117, High Street, Shadwell County: London Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SPILLING, Patrick Head Married M 51 1850 Coal Porter Shadwell, London SPILLING, Esther Wife Married F 50 1851 Stepney, London
1881 census transcription details for: 2, Spring Garden Pl, Shadwell Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 460 Folio: 98 Page: 17 Reg. District: Stepney Sub District: Shadwell Parish: Shadwell Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 2, Spring Garden Pl, Shadwell County: London, Middlesex Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SPELLING, Patrick Head Married M 31 1850 Coal Whipper Shadwell, Middlesex SPELLING, Esther Wife Married F 30 1851 Shadwell, Middlesex SPELLING, Thomas Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar Shadwell, Middlesex SPELLING, Mary Ann Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar Shadwell, Middlesex SPELLING, Esther Daughter Single F 0 1881 Shadwell, Middlesex
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Thelma
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6 Jul 2013 20:43 |
1891 England Census CENSUS & ELECTORAL ROLLSView Image NAME: Patrick Phelan MOTHER: Esther Phelan FATHER: Patrick Phelan BIRTH: abt 1883 - London, England RESIDENCE: 1891 - city, London, England Sorry no access Esther Maria Ince
Marriages Mar 1871 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ince Esther Mile End 1c 823 Scan available - click to view Snelling Patrick Mile End 1c 823 Scan available - click to view Spilling Patrick Mile End 1c 823 Scan available - click to view Thurston Henry John Mile End 1c 823 Scan available - click to view Watling Mary Ann Mile End 1c 823 Scan available - click to view
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Christine
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6 Jul 2013 20:50 |
YES THIS IS THE FAMILY BUT THERE IS NO SIGN OF MY GRANFATHER IN THE CENSERS I KNOW THE ELDEST SON THOMAS(PATRICKS BROTHER)WAS MARRIED BY 1901 MAYBE MY GRANFATHER WAS A LOVE CHILD BUT HOW WOULD WE KNOW WHEN THER IS NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS THERE ANY THINK YOU MAY SUGGEST :-)
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Thelma
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6 Jul 2013 20:53 |
Sorry my FMP is not working properly. Last name First name Born Died Event Category SPELLING ESTHER 1851 — 1881 Census Shadwell, Stepney, London, England PHELAN ESTHER 1851 — 1891 Census Ratcliff, Stepney, London, England
SPELLING ESTHER MARIA 1851 1908 1908 Deaths & burials Stepney, London, England
SPILLING ESTHER 1851 — 1901 Census Shadwell, Stepney, London, England
SPELING ESTHER 1851 — 1871 Census Shadwell, Stepney, London, England
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alviegal
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6 Jul 2013 21:02 |
?? probably nothing to do with census below.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Patrick Cusack Phelan Name: Patrick Cusack Phelan Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1884 Registration District: St Saviour Southwark Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 164
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Patrick Cusack Phelan Name: Patrick Cusack Phelan Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1887 Age at Death: 2 Registration District: St Saviour Southwark Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 120
Well done Thelma, this does look like them. Image does read Phelan.
1891 census transcription details for: 83, Cosh's Buildings, Collingwood Street, Ratcliff Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 293 Folio: 75 Page: 25 Reg. District: Stepney Sub District: Ratcliff Parish: Ratcliff Enum. District: 9 Ecclesiastical District: St James Ratcliff City/Municipal Borough: Address: 83, Cosh's Buildings, Collingwood Street, Ratcliff County: London Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born PHELAN, Patrick Head Married M 41 1850 Coal Porter London PHELAN, Esther Wife Married F 40 1851 London PHELAN, Mary Daughter Single F 18 1873 London PHELAN, Esther Daughter Single F 14 1877 Scholar London PHELAN, Patrick Son Single M 8 1883 Scholar London
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Christine
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6 Jul 2013 21:09 |
THANK YOU THELMA IT SEEMS THAT IT MAYBE ESTHER WAS NOT MY GRANFATHERS MOTHER I CAN NOT VIEW FOR SOME REASON THE PATRICK SNELLING AND PATRICK SPELLING 1C 823 ARE THESE BIRTHS :-)
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Christine
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6 Jul 2013 21:24 |
HI THELMA JUST READ1891CENSUS WHAT YOU FOUND YES THIS DOES SOUND AS IF THERE NAME CHANGED EVERY THING ADDS UP THIS HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD HELP AND I SHALL LOOK MORE INTO IT I LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE WHO HAS REPLYED AND IF THERE IS ANY MORE I BE PLEASED TO HAVE THE INFORMATION :-)
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alviegal
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6 Jul 2013 21:44 |
Patrick snr in 1851 just to show how the name has changed. Phelan is a big change though.
1851 census transcription details for: 12, Three Cup Alley, Saint Paul Shadwell, Tower Hamlets Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1550 Folio: 463 Page: 47 Reg. District: Stepney Sub District: Shadwell Parish: Saint Paul Shadwell Enum. District: 2K Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlets Address: 12, Three Cup Alley, Saint Paul Shadwell, Tower Hamlets County: Middlesex Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SPELLAN, Daniel Head Married M 40 1811 Coal Whipper Cork, Ireland SPELLAN, Bridget Wife Married F 28 1823 Longhrea, Ireland SPELLAN, Catharine Daughter F 9 1842 St George, Middlesex SPELLAN, Thomas Son M 7 1844 St George, Middlesex >SPELLAN, Patrick Son M 0 (10 MOS) 1851 Shadwell, Middlesex FORD, Patrick Lodger Unmarried M 35 1816 Ballast Heaver Longhrea, Ireland
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