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ELIZABETH
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7 Jul 2013 21:38 |
Thank you for the wealth of information, we now seem to be getting somewhere and once we receive a copy of Gertrudes birth certificate we will be able to see if we are on the right track. We also need to establish the relationship of louisa harbet, nee gibbs, and gertrude as louisa is registered as living at 60 northumberland road which is the address that is given for gertrude on my fathers birth certificate.
Once again thank you for all your help,
Liz x
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PricklyHolly
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4 Jul 2013 17:50 |
1871 England Census about Matilda Gladwyn Name: Matilda Gladwyn Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Wife Of Housekeeper (Housekeeper) Gender: Female Where born: Portsea, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration District: Southampton Sub-registration District: Southampton ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Household Schedule Number: 202 Piece: 1189 Folio: 73 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age James Durkin 79 Joseph Gladwyn 32 Matilda Gladwyn 34 William Gladwyn 4
Henrietta is with her Grandparents.....
1871 England Census about Henrietta M Gladwin Name: Henrietta M Gladwin Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Essex, England Civil Parish: Millbrook Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: Freemantle County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration District: South Stoneham Sub-registration District: Millbrook ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household Schedule Number: 175 Piece: 1200 Folio: 99 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age George Gladwin 63 (Wortham Essex) Henrietta S Gladwin 59 Henrietta M Gladwin 9 (Lilham or Lilian? Villa, Waterloo Road)
Marriages Jun 1861 (>99%) Gladwyn Joseph S Stoneham 2c 81 Steel Matilda S. Stoneham 2c 81
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PricklyHolly
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4 Jul 2013 17:33 |
Looking at the image of the 1891 census, it seems that Joseph and Matilda (Henrietta's parents) are actually living in the same property as Willaim and Henrietta at..
No 1 Stock Street....
1891 England Census about Matilda Gladwyn Name: Matilda Gladwyn Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Joseph Gladwyn Gender: Female Where born: Landford, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: West Ham Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: West Ham County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: West Ham Sub-registration District: West Ham ED, institution, or vessel: 39 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1325 Folio: 109 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Gladwyn 51 (Ships Cook) Matilda Gladwyn 55
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Matilda Gladwyn Name: Matilda Gladwyn Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1904 Age at Death: 69 Registration District: South Stoneham Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 38
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ELIZABETH
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4 Jul 2013 16:46 |
You've done such a lot of work Thank you!
Liz
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PricklyHolly
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4 Jul 2013 16:36 |
1881 England Census about Henrietta Gladwin Name: Henrietta Gladwin Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Matilda Gladwin Gender: Female Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: West Ham County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address: 75 Sandal St Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: West Ham Sub-registration District: West Ham ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1718 Folio: 87 Page Number: 59 Household Members: Name Age Gender: Female Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: West Ham County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address: 75 Sandal St Registration District: West Ham Sub-registration District: West Ham ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Piece: 1718 Folio: 87 Page Number: 59 Household Members: Name Age Matilda Gladwin 45 (Married) Ships Cooks Wife Henrietta Gladwin 19 William Gladwin 14 John J. Royal 53 (Brother) Eliza Royal 37 (Sister)
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PricklyHolly
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4 Jul 2013 16:15 |
In the 1911 census, William and Henrietta state they have just 2 children living....
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Harold Thomas Gibbs Name: Harold Thomas Gibbs Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1885 Registration District: West Ham Inferred County: Essex Volume: 4a Page: 171
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Harold Gibbs Name: Harold Gibbs Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1907 Age at Death: 21 Registration District: South Stoneham Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 43
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PricklyHolly
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4 Jul 2013 16:04 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Winifred Daisy Gibbs Name: Winifred Daisy Gibbs Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1883 Registration District: West Ham Inferred County: Essex Volume: 4a Page: 93
Marriages Mar 1910 (>99%) BULLEN Francis Arthur Southampton 2c 82 Gibbs Winifred Daisy Southampton 2c 82
Household transcription 1911 census Person: BULLEN, Winifred Daisy Address: 12 Cawte Road Southampton ROYAL, Eliza Head Widow F 67 1844 Essex Little Burstead VIEW GLADWYN, Joseph Brother Widower M 71 1840 Gas Stove Cleaner Essex Little Burstead VIEW BULLEN, Francis Arthur Husband Of Niece Married1 years M 27 1884 Florist Kent Lewisham VIEW BULLEN, Winifred Daisy Niece Married F 27 1884 Essex Plaistow VIEW
Joseph is Winifred's Father.
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PricklyHolly
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4 Jul 2013 15:45 |
William and Henrietta in the 1911......
Household transcription 1911 census Person: GIBBS, Henrietta Address: 8 Ryde Terrace Southampton GIBBS, William Head Married29 years M 49 1862 Docklabourer Southampton Hants GIBBS, Henrietta Wife Married29 years F 49 1862 Southampton Hants RG number: RG14 Piece: 5978 Reference: RG14PN5978 RG78PN273B RD99 SD1 ED44 SN134 Registration District: Southampton Sub District: Southampton Eastern Enumeration District: 44 Parish: St Mary Address: 8 Ryde Terrace Southampton County: Hampshire (9 children born, 2 living, 7 had died)
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PricklyHolly
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4 Jul 2013 15:43 |
Hi Elizabeth
It really would be in your best interest to purchase a copy of Gertrudes birth cert so that you can find out her Mothers maiden name.
The only William Gibbs i could find born 1863 Southampton in 1891 is this one.....
..1891 England Census about William Gibbs Name: William Gibbs Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Henrietta Gibbs Gender: Male Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: West Ham Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: West Ham County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: West Ham Sub-registration District: West Ham ED, institution, or vessel: 39 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1325 Folio: 109 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age William Gibbs 29 (Occ: looks like "Tailor" but possibly "Sailor") Henrietta Gibbs 29 Millbrook Southampton Winifred D Gibbs 7 Harold T Gibbs 5
(Note they are living in West Ham where Gertrude was born........they are also living next door to Henrietta's parents........Joseph and Matilda.
Looking at the 1901.......posted above, it seems to me that Henrietta has been mistranscribed as "Elizabeth"
Other members have helped look for a Willam Gibbs with wife Henrietta in 1901 but they cannot be found.
William and Henrietta's marriage......
Marriages Dec 1882 GIBBS William - W. Ham 4a 228 Gladwyn Henrietta Matilda - W. Ham
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Henrietta Matilda Gladwyn Name: Henrietta Matilda Gladwyn Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1861 Registration District: South Stoneham Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 55
William and Henrietta's children Winifred and Henry are with their Aunt in the 1901 census.......
1901 England Census about Winifred D Gibbs Name: Winifred D Gibbs Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 Relation: Niece Gender: Female Where born: Plaistow, Essex, England Civil Parish: Shirley Ecclesiastical parish: Freemantle Christchurch County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: South Stoneham Sub-registration District: Millbrook ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 44 Piece: 1073 Folio: 113 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Royal 57 (Widow) Joseph Gladwyn 61 (Brother) Matilda Gladwyn 65 (Sister in Law) Winifred D Gibbs 19 (Niece) Harold T Gibbs 15 (Nephew)
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PricklyHolly
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4 Jul 2013 08:37 |
England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Gertrude Gibbs Name: Gertrude Gibbs Spouse Name: Daniel Maunders Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1942 Registration District: Newbury Inferred County: Berkshire Volume Number: 2c Page Number: 930
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Gertrude Lily Maunders Name: Gertrude Lily Maunders Birth Date: 12 Aug 1891 Date of Registration: Mar 1972 Age at Death: 80 Registration District: Southampton Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 6b Page: 2240
Have you got Gertrudes birth cert to know her Mothers maiden name?
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PricklyHolly
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4 Jul 2013 08:35 |
1901 England Census about Gertrude Gibbs Name: Gertrude Gibbs Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Gibbs Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gibbs Gender: Female Where born: London, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Southampton County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Southampton Sub-registration District: Southampton ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 388 Piece: 1056 Folio: 183 Page Number: 51 Household Members: Name Age William Gibbs 38 (Docks Labourer) Elizabeth Gibbs 38 Gertrude Gibbs 9
Res: 1 Endle Street
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MarieCeleste
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3 Jul 2013 23:58 |
According to a tree on Ancestry, this is the Gertrude Lily that was born 1891
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GIBBS, William Head Married M 38 1863 Dock Labourer Southampton, Hampshire GIBBS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 38 1863 Southampton, Hampshire GIBBS, Gertrude Daughter F 9 1892 London
Piece: 1056 Folio: 183 Page: 51 Registration District: Southampton Civil Parish: Southampton St Mary M
Address: 1, Endle Street, Southampton St Mary, Southampton County: Hampshire
I can see the London to Southampton connection.
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PricklyHolly
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3 Jul 2013 20:58 |
OK............no worries Elizabeth.
It was just that i knew i had seen a similar thread before.
Prickles. x
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ELIZABETH
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3 Jul 2013 20:54 |
Hi
Don't think the threads on the other Lily Gibbs match up. Starting back at square one again. Years of birth different
Liz
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ELIZABETH
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3 Jul 2013 20:51 |
My father's birth certificate gave her name as Lily Gibbs and I was therefore working on this, but Southampton Archives from their workhouse records have today told me her name was actually Gertrude Lily and she was born in Sept 1891. Apparently her address was given on workhouse admission as the Salvation Army Hostel but on the birth certificate it is 60 Northumberland Road. From the census, a Louisa (nee Gibbs) is reported as living at the address in Northumberland Road and I am thinking maybe she was an aunt. Gertrude was apparently unmarried in 1918 with no name on the birth certificate though my parents' marriage certificate state his father's name was George Gibbs with occupation as 'docker' . So you can see how confused we are!!!
The history is really quite complex with my father and her leaving the workhouse at the same time but with a gap of about 18 months before Dad is readmitted to the workhouse on several occasions. However, cant find anything else out about her after 1920.
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MarieCeleste
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3 Jul 2013 20:38 |
Elizabeth - how have you converted the Lily Gibbs mentioned on the other threads into Gertrude Lily born 1891 in West Ham?
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MarieCeleste
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3 Jul 2013 20:36 |
Elizabeth is following the advice she received on this thread too by starting her own thread: http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/lilly%20gibbs%20m.%20william%20chappell/thread/1188365
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PricklyHolly
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3 Jul 2013 20:31 |
Is this connected......
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http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1327286
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PricklyHolly
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3 Jul 2013 20:28 |
This rings a bell.
Have we done this before?
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3 Jul 2013 20:26 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Gertrude Lily Gibbs Name: Gertrude Lily Gibbs Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1891 Registration District: West Ham Inferred County: Essex Volume: 4a Page: 76
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