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Hello Reggie
Sorry I have been unavailable the last few days, tied up with minding grandkids.
Linda

Linda?

Sorry, Linda, you are right, of course about her birth

I remember now ..............................

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1326111

From the aforementioned freebmd!

Births Mar 1877 (>99%)
Hall Eliza Alma Guisbro' 9d 511

Reggie
No she was born to parents Jane and Peter Norman. They married 1849 Highworth Wiltshire. Jane has been married three times. Linda

Please try to look for the marriage on freebmd..........to which everyone has access. it's FREE!

I don't know what info you have been inputting.............or, indeed, where you looked

All you need to enter is the surname and first forename of each of the couple...............do try it, if only to prove to yourself how easy the site is to use.

Reggie
I have not been able to find marriage for Eliza & William nor Eliza A birth on the site that I have access to. Some one else found them on the site that they have access to and told me. A second cousin Julie-Ann was talking to you about Archards through this site earlier this month as she has been helping me with my tree. Linda

Marriages Dec 1859 (>99%)
Archard George Calne 5a 137
Norman Jane Calne 5a 137

So Eliza was illegitimate................

Her mother in 1871???
1871 census
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Person: ARCHARD, Jane Address: Leeman Grove, East Rosedale

ARCHARD, George Head M 35 1836 Wiltshire VIEW
ARCHARD, Jane Wife F 39 1832 Wiltshire VIEW
ARCHARD, George Son M 10 1861 Wiltshire VIEW
ARCHARD, Ellen Daughter F 7 1864 Essex VIEW
SANDERS, Elizabeth A Servant F 15 1856 Devon

Linda....
1870-1890 Reg.Guisbro' (Free BMD)

Births Mar 1874 (>99%)
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Archard Sarah Jane Guisbro' 9d 470

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Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%)
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Archard Jane Guisborough 9d 706

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Marriages Mar 1885 (>99%)
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Archard Ellen Emily Guisbro' 9d 633

FMP tells me that I have accessed this record previously..................so there must be another thread

1861 census

Person: NORMAN, Eliza Jane Alma Address: Hog Street, Calne
Cost

ARCHARD, Jane Wife Married F 30 1831 Bacon Curers & Labourers Wife
Coleshill, Wiltshire VIEW
NORMAN, Eliza Jane Alma Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar
Bath, Somersetshire VIEW
ARCHARD, Henry George Son M 0 (9M) 1861
Bath, Somersetshire

Conflicting info, Linda.

You said in your opening post

Eliza and William Hall were married 1874 in Yorkshire.

and in your most recent

.............., have not found marriage notification



So, to clarify...................

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/



Marriages Mar 1874 (>99%)
Hall William Guisbro' 9d 728
Norman Eliza Jane Guisbro' 9d 728

If she knew her father.........his details will be on the marriage cert.

Linda....This appears to be the Marriage


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1874 (>99%)
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Hall William Guisbro' 9d 728
Norman Eliza Jane Guisbro' 9d 728

Check out Guisbro' Reg District for Eliz.Alma's Birth 1877

There may have been other children prior to her birth....plenty Halls Listed.

Gins
Eliza Norman's husband William Hall was born Peckham Surrey 1854-1855, they were married at Yorkshire, have not found marriage notification, but if could link the two in Bath Somerset area in the early 1870's, the census for 1871 were Elizth Naman is working in Bath could be her. Linda

Yeah I looked too. I found a death for Eliz* Norman in Bath in 1856 and am wondering if that's the girl that Patcham posted?

Gins
Had a look at the UK census 1861 as well to see if this Elizth Naman is another person but there was no one born in Bath with a similar name. It could be her with just spelling mistakes. There was people with Naman as a surname in the 1861 census. Linda

Gins,
That could be this one:
Births Mar 1852
Norman Elizabeth Bath 5c 739

1871 England Census

Name:Elizth Naman

Age:19

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1852

Relation:Servant
Gender:Female

Where born:Bath, Somerset, England

Civil Parish:Lyncombe and Widcombe

Ecclesiastical parish:South Lyncombe St Luke

Town:Bath

County/Island:Somerset

Country:England

Registration District:Bath

Sub-registration District:Lyncombe

ED, institution, or vessel:7

Household Schedule Number:45
Piece:2485
Folio:8
Page Number:9


Chloras Henry Drew 36
Fanny Drew 33
Elizth Drew 8
Alice Blanche Drew 6
Edwin Hamilton Drew 3
Florence Drew 1
Ellen Maria Drew 20
Ann Isaacs 21
Elizth Naman 19 <<<<<<<<


Looks like 'Norman' on the image

1881 England Census
Ellen Emily Archer Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Step Daughter
Mother's Name: Jane Sparks
Gender: Female
Where born: Plastawmarsh, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Marske in Guisbrough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Street Address: 7 Cliff Street
Registration District: Guisborough Sub-registration District: Marske
ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Piece: 4841 Folio: 14 Page Number: 22
Jonathan C. Sparks 29 Ironstone Miner
Jane Sparks 24 CHANGED TO 34
Ellen Emily Archer 17
Sarah J. Archer 7 Brotton Yorkshire Step daughter
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4841; Folio: 14; Page: 22; GSU roll: 1342166.

Penny
Forgot to add, they were in Brotton Yorkshire in the 1881 census. Her mother Jane and Eliza's two half sisters and step father Jonathan were also in Yorkshire - Marske in 1881.
Thanks Linda

Penny
All of the Halls are uncounted for after 1881 UK census. it was her mother Jane Norman Archard Sparks, sister Sarah Jane Archard, sister Ellen Emily Archard Harland Jane Norman Archard Sparks is my GGGrandmother, her son Henry George Archard is my G Grandfather. George emigrated to Australia 1878. Jane Noman Archard Sparks was married three times. i don't know if Eliza Jane Alma Norman Hall emigrated or not as I can't find a record of it. Linda