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SylviaInCanada
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21 Jun 2013 08:14 |
Would it be possible for you to get Joseph and Mary Ketley's marriage certificate OR Joseph's death certificate??
..................... I understand that both those certificates in Australia should have the mother and father named.
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Jeffrey
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21 Jun 2013 07:29 |
Hello everyone thanks for all your help ,I'm afraid I share Sylviain's gut feeling. My instinct is that the Joseph that married Mary Ketley is not my Joseph, as much as I would like it to be. I'll keep ferreting around, perhaps something will turn up in an obituary. Only problem is in those days people were covering their tracks and did'nt like to admit to convict ancestors !! Thanks again Regards Jeff Ward.
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SylviaInCanada
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21 Jun 2013 04:47 |
My gut feeling is that the Joseph Ward who married Mary (Ann) Ketley is NOT your Joseph .........
................... but I can't find too much evidence to support my feeling!
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SylviaInCanada
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21 Jun 2013 04:41 |
The Joseph Ward / Mary Ketley marriage ..... for reference
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about Joseph Ward
Name: Joseph Ward Spouse Name: Mary Ketley Marriage Date: 22 Sep 1834 Marriage Place: Tasmania Registration Place: Hobart, Tasmania Registration Year: 1834 Registration number: 2513
The Cemetery Index
Australia Cemetery Index, 1808-2007 about Joseph Ward
Name: Joseph Ward Death Age: 91 Birth Date: abt 1797 Death Date: 21 Jun 1888 Cemetery: Queenborough Sandy Bay (book) Cemetery Location: Hobart, Tasmania
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Spouse:- Mary Ann. See Ward - Mary Ann
HO13/00624
Australia Cemetery Index, 1808-2007 about Mary Ann Ward
Name: Mary Ann Ward Death Age: 77 Birth Date: abt 1803 Death Date: 26 Feb 1880 Cemetery: Queenborough Sandy Bay (book) Cemetery Location: Hobart, Tasmania
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Sp: Joseph - Also: 1 Other
HO13/00624
The "1 other" possibly means another body in the grave ...... ?? a child
I assume HO13/00624 refers to the grave and its position in the cemetery
Mary Ann's death notice was apparently in the paper .........
Tasmania, Australia, Index to Death Notices in The Mercury, 1854-1930 about Ward
Name: Ward Death Date: 26 Feb 1880 Parent/Spouse: Mary Ann Publication Date: 27 Feb 1880
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SylviaInCanada
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21 Jun 2013 04:04 |
This is, I think, the Convict Muster the Toghill tree refers to ...............
New South Wales and Tasmania, Australia Convict Musters, 1806-1849 about Joseph Ward
Name: Joseph Ward Arrival Date: 1829 Vessel: Hy Porchers Province: New South Wales Title: General muster R - Y Year(s): 1837 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
These records are what I think you refer to for your Joseph Ward ....................
New South Wales and Tasmania, Australia Convict Musters, 1806-1849 about Joseph Ward
Name: Joseph Ward Vessel: Chapman Province: Tasmania Title: List of convicts (incomplete) Year(s): 1826
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No 592
To Whom Assigned: ass(istant) to R O'Connor Esq
New South Wales and Tasmania, Australia Convict Musters, 1806-1849 about Joseph Ward
Name: Joseph Ward Arrival Date: 1824 Vessel: Chapman Province: Tasmania Title: List of convicts (incomplete) Year(s): 1830
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No 592
Ticket of Leave
only the estimated birth date is an indication of 2 different men
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SylviaInCanada
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21 Jun 2013 01:30 |
A Public Tree on ancestry has the following information on Mary Ketley, with some documentation
Rochelle Toghill Owner: toghill6
Mary Ann Ketley Birth 1803 in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia Death 26 Feb 1880 in Augusta Terrace, West Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Documentation ..................... Australia Cemetery Index, 1808-2007 Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Marriage to Joseph Ward 1834 22 Sep — Age: 31 Hobart, Tasmania, Australia Parish of Trinity, in the County of Buckingham
documentation ............ Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Death 1880 26 Feb — Age: 77 Augusta Terrace, West Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
documentation ........ Australia Cemetery Index, 1808-2007 Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Joseph Ward Birth 1797 in Birmingham, England Death 21 Jun 1888 in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
documentation as to birth ............ Australia Cemetery Index, 1808-2007 Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 New South Wales and Tasmania, Australia Convict Musters, 1806-1849
Arrival 1829 — Age: 32 New South Wales
documentation ............ New South Wales and Tasmania, Australia Convict Musters, 1806-1849
Occupation 1837 — Age: 40 Hobart Town, Tasmania, Australia Carpenter
Residence 1842 7 Sep — Age: 45 Hobart, Tasmania, Australia Lansdowne Crescent,
documentation .............. Australia Cemetery Index, 1808-2007
Death 1888 21 Jun — Age: 91 Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
documentation .............. Australia Cemetery Index, 1808-2007 Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
I do not know whether this helps you.
If no-one else has access to the Australian records, I will have a look later this evening to see what I can find
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SylviaInCanada
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21 Jun 2013 01:19 |
There are 2 Mary Ketley's showing in the Criminal records on ancestry
but only this one was a possible .......... yet she was only sentenced to 3 months imprisonment NOT transportation
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about Mary Ketley
Name: Mary Ketley Date of Trial: Oct 1823 Trial Year: 1823 Location of Trial: Warwickshire, England Sentence: Imprisonment Crime: See Image Date of Execution or Release: See Image
charged with Larceny
Imprisoned for 3 months
this is the second one ................. but this case was in 1854, far too late for your Mary
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about Mary Ketley
Name: Mary Ketley Date of Trial: 28 Feb 1854 Trial Year: 1854 Location of Trial: Worcestershire, England Sentence: Imprisonment Crime: See Image Date of Execution or Release: See Image
she was charged with 3 cases of larceny, and sentenced to 12 months imprisonment (4 months on each charge)
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Jeffrey
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20 Jun 2013 23:44 |
Thanks Ann , I believe Mary Ketley was also transported possibly from Wiltshire. jeff
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AnnCardiff
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20 Jun 2013 23:16 |
those birth dates are what comes up on www.familysearch.org
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AnnCardiff
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20 Jun 2013 23:15 |
message from poster
thanks for the info I had picked up on the births of William and Charlotte also Frances, Joseph, Maria and George Problem is there was more than one Joseph Ward in Tasmania at that time, and I can't identify mine. Also reference to birth dates of 1818 and 1820 not understood
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SylviaInCanada
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20 Jun 2013 22:57 |
IF you could find a death for a Joseph Ward ................ or an obituary notice ......... it should mention his parents' names as well as his wife and any children.
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AnnCardiff
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20 Jun 2013 22:53 |
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Name: William Ward Gender: Male Christening Date: 12 Nov 1837 Christening Place: , , TASMANIA, AUSTRALIA Father's Name: Joseph Ward Mother's Name: Mary Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C31043-1 System Origin: Australia-ODM GS Film number: 1368234
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AnnCardiff
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20 Jun 2013 22:51 |
Name: Joseph Ward Spouse's Name: Mary Ketley Event Date: 22 Sep 1834 Event Place: New Town, Tasmania, Australia Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M39039-9 System Origin: Australia GS Film number: 1368285
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AnnCardiff
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20 Jun 2013 22:46 |
Charlotte Heneritta LIVINGSTON birth: 11 January 1866 death: 10 April 1906
Henry Walter John LIVINGSTON birth: 25 March 1868 death: 20 January 1941
Mary Ann Rosennah LIVINGSTON birth: 9 June 1871 death: 5 May 1921
Selina Harriett Ann LIVINGSTON birth: 6 June 1873 death:
Victoria Emily May LIVINGSTON birth: 23 February 1877 death: 22 October 1927
Ambrozine Maud LIVINGSTON birth: 13 January 1879 death: 13 January 1957
Benjamin Harry LIVINGSTON birth: 7 June 1881 death:
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AnnCardiff
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20 Jun 2013 22:46 |
Charlotte Letitia WARD birth: 8 January 1844 Hobart, Tasmania, Australia death: 20 March 1886 Hobart, Tasmania, Australia more
More informationmarriage: 5 July 1864 Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
spouse: (show children) Henry LIVINGSTON birth: 17 December 1843 marriage: 5 July 1864 death: 7 May 1912
Joseph WARD birth: 1818 death:
Mary KETLEY birth: 1820 death:
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AnnCardiff
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20 Jun 2013 22:44 |
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Name: William Ward Gender: Male Christening Date: 12 Nov 1837 Christening Place: , , TASMANIA, AUSTRALIA Father's Name: Joseph Ward Mother's Name: Mary Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C31043-1 System Origin: Australia-ODM GS Film number: 1368234
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AnnCardiff
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20 Jun 2013 22:42 |
Name: Joseph Ward Gender: Male Christening Date: 14 Sep 1806 Christening Place: LAYHAM,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND Birth Date: 09 Aug 1806 Father's Name: Joseph Ward Mother's Name: Jemima Harrington Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06320-2 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 919621
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Jeffrey
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20 Jun 2013 22:30 |
Joseph was convicted at Bury St .Edmunds and transported for seven years to Tasmania. Arrived in convict ship Chapman 27-7-1824. He received his certificate of freedom 21-7-1830. A Joseph Ward married Mary Ketley 22-9-1834 at New Town Tasmania. However details are sparse and I can't be sure its the Joseph from Layham can anyone help please. Regards Jeff Ward.
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