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John McMaster m Agnes Paterson Bruce (UK)

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Oyster

Oyster Report 6 Jun 2013 02:30

Looking for children of above couple and in particular daughter Agnes Frances
McMaster and her husband and children.

Lyn.

jax

jax Report 6 Jun 2013 03:01

Were they Scottish?

When did this marriage take place?

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 6 Jun 2013 03:25

Is this your Agnes Frances?

Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)
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GLOVER Samuel Prescot 8b 1037
Hope Henry Prescot 8b 1037
McMASTER Agnes Frances Prescot 8b 1037
Owen Ann Jane Prescot 8b 1037

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Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
about Agnes Frances McMaster Name: Agnes Frances McMaster
Age: 20
Birth Year: abt 1872
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Dec 1892
Parish: Parr
Spouse: Samuel Glover

Spouse Age: 22
Father: John McMaster
Spouse Father: Thomas Glover
Reference Number: Pr 3400/1/13


MargaretM

MargaretM Report 6 Jun 2013 03:33

1911 England Census
about Agnes Frances Glover Name: Agnes Frances Glover
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Glasgow, Scotland
Civil Parish: St Helens
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 76 Morley St St Helens Lanc
Marital Status: Married
Registration District: Prescot
Registration District Number: 456
Sub-registration District: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 22759
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Glover 40
Agnes Frances Glover 38
Frederick Glover 17
Agnes Frances Glover 15
Edith Glover 13
William Glover 10

Married 18 years, 6 children, 4 still living.



MargaretM

MargaretM Report 6 Jun 2013 03:44

1901 England Census
about Samuel Glover Name: Samuel Glover
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Agnes F Glover
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: St Helen
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration District: Prescot
Sub-registration District: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 242
Piece: 3520
Folio: 106
Page Number: 48
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Glover 30
Agnes F Glover 28
Frederick Glover 7
Agnes F Glover 5
Edith Glover 3
Samuel Glover 1
William Glover 5 Months



Oyster

Oyster Report 6 Jun 2013 03:50

Agnes Frances McMaster b Lanarkshire
m Samuel Glover b Lancashire, England, 24th December 1892

Very pleased to have above information and Census info ....thanks to
Jax and Margee.

Did you find Ethel McMaster b 21 Oct 1890 in Lancashire?... cannot confirm her
parents. Notef she wasn't on the 1911 Census but was born in 1890 so may well
have left home by then.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 6 Jun 2013 03:56

Agnes & Ethel in 1891 but father is Joseph not John:

1891 England Census
about Agnes F McMaster Name: Agnes F McMaster
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph McMaster
Mother's Name: Agnes McMaster
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Parr
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: St Helens
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration District: Prescot
Sub-registration District: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3023
Folio: 102
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph McMaster 48
Agnes McMaster 46
Agnes F McMaster 18
John McMaster 16
James B McMaster 13
William McMaster 10
Eliza J McMaster 8
George McMaster 5
Ethel McMaster 5/12



MargaretM

MargaretM Report 6 Jun 2013 04:16

Now I'm getting confused! Must be bedtime! This 1901 census has the same 3 sons, John, William & George right ages but sons of John & Jane and Ethel is a grandaughter:

1901 England Census
about Ethel McMaster Name: Ethel McMaster
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: St Helen
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration District: Prescot
Sub-registration District: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 112
Piece: 3519
Folio: 111
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
John McMaster 59
Jane McMaster 56
John McMaster 26
William McMaster 20
George McMaster 15
Ethel McMaster 10





Oyster

Oyster Report 6 Jun 2013 04:52

Yes, have seen Joseph's name typed "Joseph/John"

Am wondering if Ethel is Agnes Frances' daughter?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 6 Jun 2013 08:11

I think you'd need to buy Ethel's birth certificate to confirm her parent(s)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Ethel McMaster
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1890
Registration District: Prescot
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 694

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 6 Jun 2013 08:19

There is an unsourced tree on ancestry has an Ethel McMaster (no parents given) as born 21 Oct 1891 in St Helen's, Lancs. Apparently married a James Ewart b 1882 Glasgow.

If you don't have access to Ancestry you can search and view public trees for free on their sister site Mundia http://www.mundia.com/gb/

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 6 Jun 2013 08:24

If that tree is right then Ethel went to New Zealand:

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Mrs Ethel Ewart
Gender: Female
Age: 29
Birth Date: abt 1891
Departure Date: 2 Dec 1920
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Wellington, New Zealand
Ship Name: Ruahine
Shipping Line: The New Zealand Shipping Company, Limited
Official Number: 124582
Master: E T Smith

Travelling with Jas 37, a steelworker. Children John 6, Jessie 3 and Jas 1.

They had lived Scotland.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 6 Jun 2013 08:36

Have sent Lyn the marriage certificate for Ethel and James Ewart (had spare credits for Scotland's People that would expire before I used them).

1912 EWART JAMES MCMASTER ETHEL CAMLACHIE GLASGOW CITY/LANARK

Ethel names her parents as Agnes McMaster and John McMaster, a bottle packer. I suspect she may have been trying to cover up illegitimacy.

She was living Glasgow.

Oyster

Oyster Report 6 Jun 2013 11:34

Am most grateful MarieCeleste for the information you acquired for me....Yes,
am sure you are right re going to New Zealand. Wow..... will have to
digest the wonderful help which has come forth...... and thanks so much for the
marriage information - appreciated very much. Lyn.