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Valerie
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5 Jun 2013 18:38 |
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Can anyone help me with information about Robert Deighton Howard/Abbs, born 1869 in Whitby North Yorkshire. His sisters Florence Mary Howard/Abbs, Lena Ann Howard/Abbs, Maud Howard/Abbs and Ada Howard/ Abbs. My grandfather James Francis Howard was a brother, all were born in Whitby and on different census returns were called Howard and Abbs. They had step siblings called James William Abbs, Ellen Abbs, Stephen Abbs, Eden Abbs also all born in Whitby.
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MarieCeleste
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5 Jun 2013 18:54 |
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Hello Valerie - you already seem to have quite a bit of info about his immediate family. Could you be specific about what you're trying to find and we'll do our best to help.
You give the surnames as Howard/Abbs - does that mean they could be known as either?
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greyghost
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5 Jun 2013 18:55 |
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1881 for reference
1881 census transcription details for: Cragg, Whitby
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 4834
Folio: 86
Page: 6
Reg. District: Whitby
Sub District: Whitby
Parish: Whitby
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Cragg, Whitby
County: Yorkshire (North riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ABB, James Head Widower M 57 1824 Fisherman & Pedlar Runton, Norfolk
ABB, Margaret Jane Daughter Single F 17 1864 Whitby, Yorkshire
ABB, Phoebe Ann Daughter Single F 16 1865 Whitby, Yorkshire
HOWARD, Ann Boarder Married F 32 1849 Whitby, Yorkshire
HOWARD, Robert Deighton Boarder Single M 12 1869 Whitby, Yorkshire
HOWARD, Lena Ann Boarder Single F 0 1881 Whitby, Yorkshire
HOWARD, Florence Mary Boarder Single F 2 1879 Whitby, Yorkshire
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MarieCeleste
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5 Jun 2013 18:55 |
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Looks like he was born as Howard:
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Robert Deighton Howard
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1869
Registration District: Whitby
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 424
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greyghost
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5 Jun 2013 18:58 |
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1871 census transcription details for: Cragg, Whitby
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 4848
Folio: 62
Page: 12
Reg. District: Whitby
Sub District: Whitby
Parish: Whitby
Enum. District: 11
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Cragg, Whitby
County: Yorkshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
DAYTON, Mary Head F 44 1827 Yorkshire Fisherman's widow
HOWARD, Ann Daughter F 22 1849 Yorkshire Married Nurse
HOWARD, Robert D Grandson M 2 1869 Yorkshire
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5 Jun 2013 19:00 |
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??? Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: HOWARD, George
Registration district: Whitby
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1867
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 9D
Page no: 885
MarriageFinder: George Howard married one of the following people:
DEIGHTON, Ann
HUDSON, Mary Ann
THOMPSON, William
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MarieCeleste
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5 Jun 2013 19:01 |
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Quite possibly his death, mis-spelled:
Civil Registration event: Death
Name: HOWARD, Robert Deaton
Registration district: Hartlepool
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1907
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 38
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 65
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greyghost
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5 Jun 2013 19:07 |
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By 1891 the family appear to be boarding with a James Abbs
1891 census transcription details for: Cragg, Whitby
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 3994
Folio: 169
Page: 14
Reg. District: Whitby
Sub District: Whitby
Parish: Whitby
Enum. District: 11
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Cragg, Whitby
County: Yorkshire (North Riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ABBS, James Head Widower M 66 1825 Fisherman Beeson, Norfolk
CRAWSHAW, Jane Ann Granddaughter F 1 1890 Whitby, Yorkshire
HOWARD, Annie Boarder F 46 1845 Whitby, Yorkshire
HOWARD, Florence Boarder F 12 1879 Whitby, Yorkshire
HOWARD, Lena Ann Boarder F 10 1881 Whitby, Yorkshire
HOWARD, James Boarder M 5 1886 Whitby, Yorkshire
HOWARD, Maud Boarder F 7 1884 Whitby, Yorkshire
HOWARD, Ada Boarder F 1 1890 Whitby, Yorkshire
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greyghost
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5 Jun 2013 19:11 |
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1901 - looks like Ann married James Abbs and her children have taken that surname
1901 census transcription details for: The Cragg, Whitby
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 4560
Folio: 14
Page: 19
Reg. District: Whitby
Sub District: Whitby
Parish: Whitby
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: St Mary & St Peter
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: The Cragg, Whitby
County: Yorkshire (North riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ABBS, Ann Head Widow F 52 1849 Whitby, Yorkshire
ABBS, James Son M 15 1886 Errand BoyWhitby, Yorkshire
ABBS, Maud Daughter F 11 1890 Whitby, Yorkshire
ABBS, Ada Daughter F 11 1890 Whitby, Yorkshire
CRAWSHAW, Jane A Grand Daughter F 11 1890 Whitby, Yorkshire
CRAWSHAW, James Grand Son M 8 1893 Whitby, Yorkshire
CORNFORTH, Hilda Nurse Child F 0 (10 MOS) 1901 Scarborough, Yorkshire
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greyghost
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5 Jun 2013 19:15 |
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??? A bride missing
Civil Registration event: Marriage
Print Close
Name: ABBS, James
Registration district: Whitby
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1892
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 9D
Page no: 780
MarriageFinder: James Abbs married one of the following people:
COLLIER, Winfride
MILLER, John Summerson
EDIT - freebmd shows the missing bride to be - Ann Howard
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greyghost
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5 Jun 2013 19:32 |
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These are the step siblings you mention but they are the children of Stephen Abbs, who is the son of James Abbs and his previous wife Jane. Stephen would have been a step sibling to the Howard children
1891 census transcription details for: 18, Cliff Street, Whitby
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 3994
Folio: 139
Page: 23
Reg. District: Whitby
Sub District: Whitby
Parish: Whitby
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 18, Cliff Street, Whitby
County: Yorkshire (North Riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ABBS, Stephen Head Married M 38 1853 Tin Plate Worker Hartlepool, Co Durham
ABBS, Sarah Ann Wife Married F 35 1856 Kirkstead, Lincolnshire
ABBS, James Wm Son Single M 13 1878 Bakers AssistantWhitby, Yorkshire
ABBS, Ellen Daughter Single F 11 1880 ScholarWhitby, Yorkshire
ABBS, Stephen Son Single M 9 1882 Scholar Whitby, Yorkshire
ABBS, Eden Son Single M 0 (4M) 1891 Whitby, Yorkshire
TODD, Thomas Lodger Single M 49 1842 Carriage BuilderKendal, Westmorland
1871 census transcription details for: W Arms Inn, Whitby
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 4848
Folio: 46
Page: 15
Reg. District: Whitby
Sub District: Whitby
Parish: Whitby
Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: W Arms Inn, Whitby
County: Yorkshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
ABBS, James Head M 46 1825 Beeton Norfolk
ABBS, Jane Wife F 44 1827 County Durham
ABBS, Stephen Son M 18 1853 County Durham
ABBS, Mary Ann Daughter F 8 1863 County Durham
ABBS, Phoebe Daughter F 6 1865 County Durham
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greyghost
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5 Jun 2013 19:55 |
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PM sent to help Valerie back to the thread as she is a new poster
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Valerie
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7 Jun 2013 11:23 |
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Thank you Marie Celeste I shall look into everything you have given me.
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Valerie
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7 Jun 2013 11:25 |
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Thank you Marie Celeste I shall look into everything you have given me.
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Valerie
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7 Jun 2013 12:08 |
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Thank you Stuart for you help.
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Valerie
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7 Jun 2013 12:11 |
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To Marie Celeste.
I'm trying to find information about the whole Howard/Abbs side as I knew very little from my family. I shall now investigate further. Thank you.
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