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John Anderson. Year of birth 1830

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Karen

Karen Report 2 Jun 2013 16:57

Help. I am trying to find the above in the 1871 census to confirm who his children were. I have found him in the 1861 and 1881 census but not 1871.The 1851 and 1861 census shows he was born in Tewkesbury but the 1881 census shows he was born at sea. He was married to Matilda who came from Tipton and they went to live in Bilston. He had a son called Andrew (my great grandfather) who was born about 1865.I think his father was also called Andrew and mother was Ann but i need to confirm that i am following the right track. If you can help me it would be much appreciated.Thanks. Karen

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 2 Jun 2013 17:18

Not having any luck with the 1871 census so far!

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 2 Jun 2013 17:20

For ref....

1881 England Census
about John Anderson Name: John Anderson
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Matilda Anderson
Gender: Male
Where born: At Sea

Civil Parish: Bilston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Lester St 2 CT
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Iron Worker Labourer

Registration District: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration District: Bilston
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2813
Folio: 120
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
John Anderson 51
Matilda Anderson 50
Joseph S. Anderson 18
Andrew Anderson 16
Thomas Anderson 14


KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 2 Jun 2013 17:26

I can't find them in 1871 either.

This is Matilda living with your great grandfather in 1901:-

1901 census transcription details for: 5, 5, Court, Bridge Street, Bilston

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 2690
Folio: 78
Page: 30
Reg. District: Wolverhampton
Sub District: Bilston
Parish: Bilston
Enum. District: 15
Ecclesiastical District: Bilston St Leonard
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 5, 5, Court, Bridge Street, Bilston
County: Staffordshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

ANDERSON, Andrw Head Married M 36 1865 Iron Works Labourer
Bilston, Staffordshire
ANDERSON, Amy Wife Married F 33 1868
Sedgley, Staffordshire
ANDERSON, Andrew Son M 9 1892
Sedgley, Staffordshire
ANDERSON, Arthur Son M 7 1894
Sedgley, Staffordshire
ANDERSON, Emma Daughter F 5 1896
Sedgley, Staffordshire
ANDERSON, Amelia Daughter F 2 1899
Sedgley, Staffordshire
ANDERSON, Matilda Mother Widow F 71 1830
Tipton, Staffordshire

Kath. x


KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 2 Jun 2013 17:27

This looks like your great grandfather's birth:-

Name: ANDERSON, Andrew
Registration district: Wolverhampton
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1865
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 567

Kath. x

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 2 Jun 2013 17:31

Hopefully a copy of the marriage cert will give you details about his Father.....

Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
Anderson John Dudley 18 372
Gittins Matilda Dudley 18 372

Karen

Karen Report 2 Jun 2013 17:37

Thank you for your help Kath. It gets so confusing when there are lots of Johns and Andrews in the same family. I initially started looking at my family tree when an aunt on my dads side found some details of relatives on my moms side which is the side i am following. She said John was married to a Matilda Gittins.Once again thank you for your help. Karen

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 2 Jun 2013 17:38

Is it possible that he said he was born at sea because on the 1841 census for his parents (if they were indeed Andrew and Ann) that his father was a Waterman and perhaps John was born on the boat?

Kath. x

Karen

Karen Report 2 Jun 2013 17:59

I have only got a copy of half of the page for the 1841 census,why i don,t know.It just gives age details of Andrew(not very clear),Ann(25),John(8)presumably the one i am looking for,Joseph(6),Catherine(4),Samuel(2).The census was taken in the borough of Tewkesbury.Catherine and Samuel are also not very clearly written.
Karen xx

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 2 Jun 2013 18:00

1851 England Census
about John Anderson Name: John Anderson
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Matildia Anderson
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Coseley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration District: Dudley
Sub-registration District: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 60
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 100
Piece: 2031
Folio: 546
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
John Anderson 21
Matildia Anderson 21
John Anderson 1




John Anderson, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"Name: John Anderson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 21 Oct 1849
Christening Place: Sedgley, Stafford, England
Birth Date: 07 Oct 1849
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Anderson
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Matilda
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01763-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1040789
Reference ID: item 5 p 168

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 2 Jun 2013 18:05

Amelia Anderson, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"Name: Amelia Anderson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 09 Dec 1860
Christening Place: St. Mary, Bilston, Stafford, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Anderson
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Matilda
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01056-6
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1278829
Reference ID: item 5 p 134

Karen

Karen Report 2 Jun 2013 18:05

Thanks.The John that was born in 1849 was my great grandads(Andrew)brother.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 2 Jun 2013 18:11

It seems Joseph was baptised as Samual Joseph.........


Samuel Joseph Anderson, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"Name: Samuel Joseph Anderson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 25 Jan 1863
Christening Place: St. Mary, Bilston, Stafford, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Anderson
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Matilda
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01056-6
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1278829
Reference ID: item 5 p 188



Joseph Samuel Anderson, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "Name: Joseph Samuel Anderson
Birth Date: 1863
Birthplace:
Age: 20
Spouse's Name: Ann Perks
Spouse's Birth Date: 1861
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 22
Event Date: 26 Aug 1883
Event Place: Saint Lawrence,Darlaston Near Wolverhampton,Stafford,England
Father's Name: John Anderson
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: John Perks
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M03397-6
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 1470943
Reference ID:


KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 2 Jun 2013 18:11

On the 1841 census Andrew's age is given as 30 and Ann's as 25 but the ages of adults was rounded down to the nearest 5 years in the 1841 census so Andrew could have been between 30 and 34 and Ann could have been between 25 and 29.

It clearly gives Andrew's occupation as Waterman and all the family were born in county (Gloucestershire).

Kath. x

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 2 Jun 2013 18:17

Andrew Anderson, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"Name: Andrew Anderson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 12 Feb 1865
Christening Place: St. Mary, Bilston, Stafford, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Anderson
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Matilda
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01056-6
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1278829
Reference ID: item 6 p 41



PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 2 Jun 2013 18:21

Thomas Anderson, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "Name: Thomas Anderson
Birth Date: 1867
Birthplace:
Age: 23
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Griffith
Spouse's Birth Date: 1870
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 20
Event Date: 1890
Event Place: Moxley, Stafford, England
Father's Name: John Anderson
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Griffith
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M39154-8
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1471148
Reference ID: 2:3BNDK99

Karen

Karen Report 2 Jun 2013 18:42

Kath.
On the 1841 census can you tell if the last 2 names were Catherine and Samuel.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 2 Jun 2013 19:14

I have looked at the image and it deffinately looks like Catherine and Samuel to me..

1841 England Census
about Andrew Anderson Name: Andrew Anderson
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Tewkesbury
Hundred: Tewkesbury (Lower Division)
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration District: Tewkesbury
Sub-registration District: Tewkesbury
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 380
Book: 4
Folio: 32
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Anderson 30
Ann Anderson 25
John Anderson 8
Joseph Anderson 6
Catherine Anderson 4
Samuel Anderson 2





Karen

Karen Report 2 Jun 2013 19:20

Thank you both for your help.I,m just going to log off so i can feed my hubby and dogs.I will check my threads tomorrow so if anyone can supply me with any more info it will be appreciated.
Karen xxx

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 2 Jun 2013 19:31

Looking at the 1851 census......Catherine might have been mistranscribed and should read Caroline??

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..1851 England Census
about Joseph Anderson Name: Joseph Anderson
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Andrew Anderson
Mother's Name: Ann Anderson
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Coseley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration District: Dudley
Sub-registration District: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 60
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 99
Piece: 2031
Folio: 546
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Anderson 47
Ann Anderson 46
Joseph Anderson 17
Caroline Anderson 13
Samuel Anderson 9
Emma Anderson 2