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Barbara
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30 May 2013 09:37 |
John Wolfenden was married to Emma Lancashire (b. 1886- D.1939) and I can trace this marriage in 1910.
I am then told that, following Emma's death, John married his late wife's sister, Lottie (b. 1884) who had, in the meantime, been married to an American. I can trace a marriage in 1941 of a John Wolfenden and a Lottie Parker but cannot find the possible marriage of Lottie Lancashire to a ?? Parker.
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KathleenBell
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30 May 2013 09:47 |
Could this be the marriage:-
Name: LANCASHIRE, Lottie Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow County: Yorkshire Year of registration: 1921 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Parker Volume no: 9C Page no: 609
Name: PARKER, John H Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow County: Yorkshire Year of registration: 1921 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Lancashire Volume no: 9C Page no: 609
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Barbara
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30 May 2013 09:59 |
Many thanks Kath
I did find this one on FreeBMD but, for some reason of another, the spouse was not shown (i.e. there were an odd number on the page and she was not shown) - I think this will be the one. Thanks for all your help.
Now need to find out what I can about him
Many thanks Barbara
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Catherine
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30 May 2013 10:31 |
If you buy the marriage certificate for Lottie and John it will give you his age at the time of marriage, his occupation, his address at the time of marriage and also his father's name and occupation which will be a start. It will also give you her age, address, occupation and father's name so you can confirm that it is the Lottie you are looking for.
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KathleenBell
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30 May 2013 10:40 |
Hi Barbara
I have just had a look for the marriage you said you found for John Wolfenden in 1941 but the only one I can see to a Parker is to a Lilly E. Parker, NOT to a Lottie Parker.
EDIT - I have edited this post in another post below.
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Catherine
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30 May 2013 10:45 |
Is this your family?
1891 England Census about Emma Lancashire Name: Emma Lancashire Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Lancashire Mother's Name: Alice Lancashire Gender: Female Where born: Tonge, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Tonge Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Registration District: Oldham Sub-registration District: Chadderton ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3318 Folio: 52 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Lancashire 66 Alice Lancashire 47 Charles Lancashire 23 Mary Ellen Lancashire 21 Tom Lancashire 18 Fred Lancashire 17 Joshua Lancashire 15 Annie Lancashire 13 Alice Lancashire 10 Lottie Lancashire 7 - 1884 born: Tonge, Lancashire Emma Lancashire 5 ........................................................
1901 England Census about Emma Lancashire Name: Emma Lancashire Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Lancashire Mother's Name: Alice Lancashire Gender: Female Where born: Middleton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Middleton Ecclesiastical parish: Alkrington and Tonge St Michael County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Registration District: Oldham Sub-registration District: Middleton ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 261 Piece: 3826 Folio: 51 Page Number: 40 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Lancashire 96 Alice Lancashire 57 Mary E Lancashire 31 Joshua Lancashire 25 Annie Lancashire 23 Alice Lancashire 20 Lottie Lancashire 17 Emma Lancashire 15 ...........................................................
1911 LANCASHIRE, Alice Head Widow F 68 1843 Lancashire Middleton VIEW (10 children, 8living and 2 died) LANCASHIRE, Annie Daughter Single F 33 1878 Frame Tenter Cardroom Lancashire Middleton VIEW LANCASHIRE, Lottie Daughter Single F 28 1883 Dressmaker Lancashire Middleton VIEW
RG number: RG14 Piece: 24572 Reference: RG14PN24572 RG78PN1407 RD469 SD5 ED17 SN259 Registration District: Oldham Sub District: Middleton Enumeration District: 17 Parish: Middleton Address: 106 Sandy Lane Middleton County: Lancashire
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Catherine
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30 May 2013 10:51 |
Kath, marriage is definately to Lottie Parker:-
Marriages Jun 1941 Parker Lottie Wolfenden Middleton 8d 1679
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Astra
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30 May 2013 10:53 |
Deaths Sep 1962 (>99%) WOLFENDEN Lottie 78 Middleton 10e 395
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Mike *
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30 May 2013 10:58 |
Lottie born 1893 not '84 Was just checking to see if Lottie was her birth name or a nickname.
Births Dec 1883 LANCASHIRE Lottie - Oldham 8d 680
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ArgyllGran
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30 May 2013 10:58 |
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Deaths Dec 1939 (>99%) Parker John H 47 Romford 4a 860
Probate: Parker, John Henry of 37 First Avenue, Dagenham, Essex, died 20th November 1939 at Oldchurch Hospital, Romford. Administration London 15 January 1940 to Lottie Parker, widow. Effects £273 0s 3d.
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Mike *
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30 May 2013 11:07 |
If this is Lottie ( can't find it on ancestry) then she was still single in 1911
Name: Lottie Lancashire Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Gender: Female Age: 28 Birthplace: Middleton, Lancashire Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Oldham Sub-District: Middleton Parish: Middleton County: Lancashire
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ArgyllGran
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30 May 2013 11:07 |
Deaths Dec 1939 (>99%) Wolfenden Emma 54 Middleton 8d 944
[EDIT - already posted by Astra]
John Wolfenden and Lottie Parker were both widowed at about the same time (if the death of John Henry above is the right one!) - must have thrown them together even more than usual.
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Catherine
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30 May 2013 11:09 |
If the probate is him, then you now know he was born abt.1892. However, you will still need the marriage cert. to find out his occupation, and who his father was which will help find him in 1911 and other census records!
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Mike *
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30 May 2013 11:11 |
freebmd version !!
Marriages Jun 1921 Lancashire L(oe)ttie - Bar*er - Ecclesall B. 9c 684
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Barbara
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30 May 2013 11:13 |
Thank you for so much help
I am actually looking into this family tree for a friend, who is a Wolfenden (the John Wolfenden mentioned in my OP was his grandfather), and I was off on FreeBMD and Ancestry doing a little more looking on his other side. Yes this is the family and thank you for so much help.
Many thanks Barbara
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ArgyllGran
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30 May 2013 11:13 |
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1901 England Census about John Parker Name: John Parker Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: New York, United States Civil Parish: Oldham County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Oldham Sub-registration District: Oldham Below Town ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 192 Piece: 3808 Folio: 52 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age John Parker 58 Caroline Parker 55 John Parker 11
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Catherine
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30 May 2013 11:36 |
Oooo argyllgran, that looks promising!
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KathleenBell
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30 May 2013 11:55 |
Glad you have got so much information on this.
This is the transcription of the marriage from Findmypast:-
Name: WOLFENDEN, John Registration district: Middleton County: Lancashire Year of registration: 1941 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Parker Volume no: 8D Page no: 1679
Name: PARKER, Lilly E Registration district: Middleton County: Lancashire Year of registration: 1941 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Wolfenden Volume no: 8D Page no: 1679
However looking at the image I can see that whoever transcribed this page has taken the Lilly E. from the marriage above Lottie's by mistake. The image DOES have John Wolfenden marrying Lottie Parker.
Sorry for any confusion.
Kath. x
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ArgyllGran
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30 May 2013 11:56 |
Can't see any of that 1901 Parker family conclusively in 1911, though.
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KathleenBell
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30 May 2013 11:59 |
This looks like Lottie in 1911:-
1911 census transcription details for: 106 Sandy Lane Middleton
National Archive Reference: RG14PN24572 RG78PN1407 RD469 SD5 ED17 SN259 Reg. District: Oldham Sub District: Middleton Parish: Middleton Enum. District: 17
Address: 106 Sandy Lane Middleton County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
LANCASHIRE, Alice Head Widow F 68 1843 Lancashire Middleton LANCASHIRE, Annie Daughter Single F 33 1878 Frame Tenter Cardroom Lancashire Middleton LANCASHIRE, Lottie Daughter Single F 28 1883 Dressmaker Lancashire Middleton<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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