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Don't think I mentioned that my friend was born 3 Mar 1946 at 26, Wolverton Avenue, Kingston, Surrey. The father's name was given as Frederick Gilham but this is not correct, it was in fact Frederick Jeffery.

The date on the marriage certificate was the 19th of April 1942 and gave Irene's age as 19 on that day. I have just spoken to my friend on the phone and she has says that she was told that Irene had other children after her but who their father was she doesn't know. Also one more piece of information is that Irene was in the ATS at Kingston Barracks. If we could find out Irene's mothers name we could maybe send for her birth certificate and that could tell us a lot more.

It was witnessed by a George, Arthur, Gilham, a builder, address given as 7, Minerva Road, Norbeton who I assume was his father. I haven't seen the marriage certificate as my friend has it but she has passed this information on to me. Unfortunately I live in Leicestershire and she lives in Newport, Gwent but we speak regularly on the phone.

No problem, Lavinia.

Two replies are better than none!

Who witnessed the marriage to Gilham?

How old was Irene?

sorry Reggie I sent you a reply by mistake. I am not that brilliant on the computer and didn't read your message properly so please accept my apology.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Oliver John Bristow Name: Oliver John Bristow
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Age: 20
Spouse Name: Eliza Blakey
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Nov 1880
Parish: Stepney St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Henry Bristow
Spouse Father Name: Charles John Blakey
Register Type: Parish Register



Looking at this death.......perhaps Oliver John Bristow born 1884 was the son of Oliver and Eliza...


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Oliver John Bristow Name: Oliver John Bristow
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1893
Age at Death: 32
Registration District: Whitechapel
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 260

A big thank you to everyone who has responded to my post. I am not researching for myself but for a very good friend. We have been friends for fifty four years and Irene Bristow was her mother but she was brought up by her father so knows very little about her. She did send for her mother's marriage certificate to Bernard Ralph Gilham in 1942 Surrey North Eastern but it doesn't give Irene's father's name and I couldn't find a birth for her. I wondered if the Edwards in her name was of any significance, maybe a family name. At the time she gave birth to my friend she was living in Kingston, Surrey but my friend's father was not Bernard Gilham although her mother was married to him at the time.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Florence Bristow Name: Florence Bristow
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Oct 1870
Born: May 8th 1866
Father's Name: John Henry Bristow (Customs House Officer)
Mother's Name: Ann Elizabeth Bristow
Parish or Poor Law Union: Mile End Old Town St Peter
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers





Florence has a Brother.......Oliver J Bristow.....

1881 England Census
about Florence Bristow Name: Florence Bristow
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Annie E. Bristow
Gender: Female
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 115 Turners Road
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration District: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 487
Folio: 46
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Annie E. Bristow 46
Oliver J. Bristow 20
Florence Bristow 14
Grace A. Bristow 7
Annie Binfield 24 (Boarder)

Looking at the 1911 census........i wonder if single Florence is the Mother of Oliver John?

Mistranscribed as Olwen in 1901.......

1901 England Census
about Olwen J Bristow Name: Olwen J Bristow
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Florence Bristow
Gender: Male
Where born: Stepney, London, England

Civil Parish: Leyton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Leyton
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: West Ham
Sub-registration District: North Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 125
Piece: 1617
Folio: 145
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Ann E Bristow 65 (Widow)
Florence Bristow 34 (Single)
Olwen J Bristow 17
Thomas Choat 40 (Boarder)



1891 England Census
about Oliver J Bristow Name: Oliver J Bristow
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Katcliffe, London, England

Civil Parish: Leyton
Ecclesiastical parish: Harrow Green Holy Trinity
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: West Ham
Sub-registration District: Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1343
Folio: 111
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
John H Bristow 56
Ann E Bristow 56
Florence Bristow 24
Grace A Bristow 17
Oliver J Bristow 7

All we need now is feedback from Lavinia

FMP has correct transcription in 1901

This is their version of 1891 - a vast improvement on Ancestry's shambles

1891 census


Person: FELL, Elsie Olive Address: 26, Margaret Street, Northampton

FELL, Maria Wife Married F 46 1845
Kettering, Northamptonshire VIEW
FELL, Annie Maria Daughter Single F 23 1868 Dressmaker
Kettering, Northamptonshire VIEW
FELL, Alfred Arthur Son Single M 20 1871 Clicker Shoe Trade
Kettering, Northamptonshire VIEW
FELL, Edith May Daughter Single F 18 1873 School Assistant
Kettering, Northamptonshire VIEW
FELL, Horace Edwd Son Single M 17 1874 Solicitors Clerk
Kettering, Northamptonshire VIEW
FELL, Walter Herbert Son Single M 14 1877 Scholar
Kettering, Northamptonshire VIEW
FELL, Winifred Julia Daughter Single F 12 1879 Scholar
Kettering, Northamptonshire VIEW
FELL, Francis Cecil Son Single M 10 1881 Scholar
Burton Latimer, Northamptonshire VIEW
FELL, Ernest Frederick Son Single M 8 1883 Scholar
Burton Latimer, Northamptonshire VIEW
FELL, Cath Mary Ellen Daughter Single F 7 1884 Scholar
Kettering, Northamptonshire VIEW
FELL, Elsie Olive Daughter Single F 2 1889
Northampton VIEW

Re Oliver John Bristow who died in Seven Kings Essex in 1958 probate was granted to Harold John Bristow an Accounts clerk effects £1761.11s 7d

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about James David Felce Name: James David Felce
Spouse Name : Maria Wrigley
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1865
Registration District: Kettering
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 265

The 1911 census states.....11 children born and living.

1901 England Census
about Elsie Falce Name: Elsie Falce
[Elsie Felce]
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Falce
Mother's Name: Maria Falce
Gender: Female
Where born: Northampton, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Ilford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Ilford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Romford
Sub-registration District: Ilford
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 203
Piece: 1650
Folio: 129
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
James Falce 59
Maria Falce 56
Edith Falce 28
Ernest Falce 19
Katherine Falce 17
Elsie Falce 12


This is a mess.......


1891 England Census
about Elsie Olive Cockle Name: Elsie Olive Cockle
[Elsie Olive Felce]
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Arthur Alfred Cockle
Gender: Female
Where born: Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: St Sepulchre
Ecclesiastical parish: St Sepulchre
Town: Northampton
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Northampton
Sub-registration District: St Giles
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1196
Folio: 16
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Alfred Cockle 50
Eliza Cockle 50
Arthur Yolm Cockle 26
Eliza Francis Cockle 24
Pubens Cockle 22
Lucy Cockle 19
Fredk Cockle 18
Ellen May Cockle 16
Alfred Chas Cockle 14
Lydia Elizabeth Cockle 13
Edward Pedro Cockle 11
Albert Victor Cockle 3

This family all have the surname "Felce" on the image.....but they have been mistranscribed as Cockle!.


Maria Cockle 46
Annie Maria Cockle 23
Alfred Arthur Cockle 20
Edith May Cockle 18
Horace Edwa Cockle 17
Walter Herbert Cockle 14
Winifred Julia Cockle 12
Francis Cecil Cockle 10
Ernest Frederick Cockle 8
Cath Mary Ellen Cockle 7
Elsie Olive Cockle 2

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England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Harold J O Bristow Name: Harold J O Bristow
Spouse Name: Barbara J Osborn
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1961
Registration District: Ilford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 575

Death

Name: BRISTOW, Harold John O
Registration district: Havering
County: Essex
Year of registration: 1975
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Date of Birth:7 October 1917
Volume no: 13
Page no: 0337

Death

Name: BRISTOW, Oliver J
Registration district: Ilford
County: Essex
Year of registration: 1958
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death:74
Volume no: 5A
Page no: 315

Deaths Dec 1955 (>99%)
BRISTOW Elsie O 66 Ilford 5a 343

1911 census

Person: BRISTOW, Oliver John Address: 28 Endsleigh Gardens Ilford

DAVIS, Horace Head Married M 53 1858 Dock Clerk P Ld Mile Envold Twon London VIEW
DAVIS, Grace Alice Wife Married13 years F 37 1874 Stepney London VIEW
BRISTOW, Ann Elizabeth Mother In Law Widow F 76 1835 Stepney London VIEW
BRISTOW, Florence Sister In Law Single F 44 1867 Stepney London VIEW
BRISTOW, Oliver John Wife's Nephew Single M 27 1884 Railway Clerk Ratcliff London VIEW
DAVIS, Kathleen Daughter F 8 1903 Ilford Essex

1911 census


Person: FELCE, Elsie Olice Address: 34 Sunnyside Road Ilford Essex


FELCE, James David Head Married45 years M 69 1842 Commercial Traveller In Leather And Boots Higham Ferrers Nton VIEW
FELCE, Maria Wife Married45 years F 65 1846 Kettering Nton VIEW
FELCE, Catherine Mary Ellen Daughter Single F 27 1884 Sorter G P O Kettering Nton VIEW
FELCE, Elsie Olice Daughter Single F 22 1889 Manageress Toilet And Fancy Fgoods Northampton

Good spot, PH

And a sibling for Irene


Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
Bristow Harold J O Felce Croydon 2a 433


EDIT

SNAP!