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I'm trying to find my great grandfather's father.

My great grandfather Guest Guest was born in Bolton in 1845.

Mother Ellen Guest. Father John Nicholson - Bleacher.


This is a possible from the 1841 census....

Name: John Nicholson
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Bolton Le Moors
County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Little Bolton

Nathl Nicholson 40
Ann Nicholson 40
William Nicholson 15
John Nicholson 15
Ester Nicholson 12
Nathl Nicholson 10
Ann Nicholson 7
Mary Ann Nicholson 5
Thos Nicholson 3

He is a Finishing Bleacher.


I do have a related thread on the Genealogy Chat board, although that was a query re illegitimacy, not a search request.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1281969


I would be very grateful for any assistance in finding a John Nicholson Bleacher/Finishing Bleacher/Finisher in 1851

Thank you.

Got to go out now. Will check back later. Thanks to anyone who takes the time to look for me. :-)

Not John, unfortunately, but here's most of the rest of that family in 1851. The children are born in Sharples, Lancs.



1851 England Census about Ann Nicholson
Name: Ann Nicholson
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Nathaniel Nicholson
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Sharples
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration District: Bolton
Sub-registration District: Tong
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 77
Piece: 2208
Folio: 501
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Nathaniel Nicholson 54
Ann Nicholson 53
Esther Nicholson 23
Ann Nicholson 18
Mary Ann Nicholson 13
Thomas Nicholson 13
Charles Nicholson 9
Charlotte Nicholson 3
Thomas Openshaw 21 (Lodger - presumably some relation of Ann Nicholson nee Openshaw)

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1845
GUEST Guest -Sharples Bolton - mother GUEST


Wondering how you arrive at John Nicholson as Guest's father

Mike -

from Christina's other thread (link in her OP):

Born on the 9th December 1845 at Horrocks Fold, Little Bolton.
Birth registered 15 December 1845 at Bolton.
Name: Guest
Father: John Nicholson - Bleacher
Mother: Ellen Guest
Informant: William Guest - occupier of Horrocks Fold.

Very odd that an informant other than the mother can name a father on a birth certificate.

Don't see John in 1851 nor 1861.

Maybe he died:

Deaths Dec 1845 (>99%)
NICHOLSON John Bolton 21 109

Deaths Dec 1847 (>99%)
Nicholson John Bolton 21 147

Deaths Sep 1849 (>99%)
Nicholson John Bolton 21 69

Deaths Jun 1850 (>99%)
NICHOLSON John Bolton 21 80

Census
about Gust Guest




Name:
Gust Guest
[Guest Guest]
[Guest Guest]

Age:
5

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1846

Relation:
Grandson

Gender:
M (Male)

Where born:
Little Bolton, Lancashire, England



Civil Parish:
Little Bolton

County/Island:
Lancashire

Country:
England




Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:



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Registration District:
Bolton

Sub-registration District:
Tong

ED, institution, or vessel:
2

Neighbors:
View others on page

Household Schedule Number:
20

Piece:
2208

Folio:
580

Page Number:
7

Household Members:


Name

Age

William Wiest 55
Mary Wiest 55
George Wiest 19
Paul Wiest 17
Gard Wiest 10
Gust Guest 5
Jame G Lee 60

Nathaniel NICHOLSON
Birth 1796
in Sharples,
Bolton
Death MAR 1876 in
Bolton (ref 8c 253 age 79)
Birth1796 Sharples, Bolton
Baptism179610 Jul St Mary, Deane, Bolton
Marriage to Ann OPENSHAW181728 Dec Age: 21St Mary, Deane, Bolton
Death1876 Mar Age: 80Bolton (ref 8c 253 age 79)
Burial18767 Mar Tonge Cemetery, Bolton
Occupation Finisher at Bleachworks .
Family Members
Parents
Nathaniel NICHOLSON 1764 – 1845
Mary LIPTROTT 1765 –
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Spouse & Children
Ann OPENSHAW 1795 – 1869
John NICHOLSON 1820 – 1823
Mary NICHOLSON 1821 –
William NICHOLSON 1822 – 1890
John NICHOLSON 1825 –
Esther NICHOLSON 1827 – 1887
Nathaniel NICHOLSON 1830 – 1867
Ann NICHOLSON 1833 –
Mary Ann NICHOLSON 1835 –
Thomas NICHOLSON 1838 – 1901
Charles NICHOLSON 1841 – 1911
Joseph NICHOLSON 1843 – 1844

Thank you argyllgran, Mike & EVEIE.

Yes Mike, the birth cert is very odd. I definitely didn't expect to see a father's name after receiving Guest's marriage cert. where no father was shown.

I think you may be right about John's death before 1851, argyllgran. I've cross referenced the death registrations you posted above with the deaths on LancashireBMD and the one in 1847 was aged 22yrs and registered in Sharples!!

I'll send for the death cert. now. Could you please post the address for the Nicholsons in the 1851 census you very kindly posted above.

Thank you all very much for your help with this. :-)

The Nicholsons' address in 1851 is:
77 Hiles Fold, Sharples.

could the William Guest on the birth certificate be the grandfather shown in 1851?

The image of that 1851 for Guest Guest shows address to be Horrocks Fold as on the the birth cert.

I assumed the informant was Ellen's father or brother,( though would it not have " informant grandfather/ uncle" ? ) which is why I find it odd that they were at liberty to divulge the father's name seeing as the child was not being registered in his surname.

I assume the birth cert has not been "doctored" after being issued?

I have found some before with hand written notes added .

argyllgran, thank you for the Nicholsons' address in 1851.



LancashireAnn, thank you, William Guest on the birth cert must have been Guest's grandfather, Ellen's father. Though why it didn't state his relationship I've no idea.



Mike, thank you, I've also always assumed that Ellen's father registered his grandson's birth.

From info on my other thread querying the registration of Guest's birth,

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1281969

it seems that the rules were vague and open to individual interpretation by the Registrars pre 1850. I do wonder why it doesn't say he was the grandfather, but then again he didn't give the child a 'Christian' name, so maybe he was ashamed of the fact.

The birth cert appears to have been written all in the same hand, with no obvious alterations.

Ooh getting excited now!

I've just checked Ellen Guest's death in 1846 and she died at Hills Fold, Sharples!!

Informant was again William Guest, this time stated as occupier of Hills Fold.

I wonder if Horrocks Fold was in Hills Fold?

And could the Nicholsons' address in 1851 be Hills Fold rather than Hiles Fold?

Do you think this means I can claim the above John Nicholson as my great great grandfather?

I would say it was almost definitely Hills Fold in 1851 - another version has it transcribed as such

Thank you Ann. :-)

I've received the death cert today and it is must be the right one as he died at Hills Fold, Sharples, but I can't read the cause of death.

Would someone be willing to have a look for me please if I pm the image?

I don't mind Christina

Thank you MarieCeleste. I've sent you a pm.