Find Ancestors

Hi Cliff

Just go to the main 'Find ancestors board' and to the right of 'All threads on "Find Ancestors" board' is a button called 'Add Topic'

Click on that, and cut and paste the info on your father that you gave here.

I'm off to work now but someone will come along and help.

Whatever you do, DON'T mark the new thread as answered - or no one else will look at it, as they'll think it's finished.

EDIT: if you remember anything else, eg did your father have brothers or sisters, and if so, do you know their names and if they were older or younger? Anything to help identify the family. Add it to your opening post on the new thread if so.

Hi K
I am getting very frustrated trying to start the ancestry of my father Alfred Ernest Holloway. Shamefully I do not know his mothers first name, and I believe she remarried changing her surname from Holloway to Docherty (spelling ??)
My dad died 14 March 1965 at the age of 57. My mother Alice May Holloway (nee Page) born 9 Aug 1908 and died 7 Aug 1996.
I believe my Dad was born in Acton, West London W3, Brentford district ?
I need to find his mothers names at birth. Can't seem to turn anything up?
Cliff
By the way, as this is a new thread how do I start one please.

Cliff,

If it's the same family, just add to this thread to bring it to the top of the board. (and remove the 'answered' marking.)

If a different family, then start a new thread on the' Finding Ancestors' board.

If you put youreinquries on the boards, you should get more response, and we can 'check' each other's research, bounce ideas off each other etc. Different folk have access to different sites/sources, so it pays to cast your net wide by using the boards.

I'd certainly be happy to help with any future threads of yours I spot on here.

BTW, I think you accidently shot yourself in the foot by marking this particular thread as 'answered', so other helpers would have assumed you'd learnt all you needed to know.

No danger of outwearing your welcome on the boards, there are plenty of us who relish the chance to get our teeth into a fresh inquiry or two ;-)

Just remember not to mark your threads as answered until you're satisfied we can help you no further.

RE the info from your family, it seems to be mainly a question of confusion over the names of the various James, James Henry, James Albert and James Thomas.

Based on all your research, the information I have received from family members has to be questioned.
Thanks for all the good work.
Thus far I only have two contacts Patchem and Kucinta.
I don't wish to wear out my welcome, but will I be able to contact either of you again with inquiries for other ancestors in my family tree ?
Cliff

This death in 1958 is actually the correct one, as shown by the probate record. Death date you gave in original posting appear to be a little out;


Name: James A Page
Birth Date: abt 1879<<<<<<<<<
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1958<<<<<<
Age at Death: 79
Registration District: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 1156


Probate :

Name: James Albert Page
Probate Date: 30 Jan 1959
Death Date: 18 Dec 1958
Death Place: London, England
Registry: London, England

James Albert Page of 53 Averill Street Hammersmith London died at St Mary Abbotts Hospital Kensington London. Probate to James Henry Page librarian. Effects £715 12s 4d.

Is this the death of your grandfather?

Name: James A Page
Birth Date: abt 1879
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1955
Age at Death: 76
Registration District: Ipswich
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 823

Not sure about the location, but it fits with the info you posted about 'James Henry', and also the birth GRO ref for James Albert I cited in my first post.

Many thanks. You have been a great help and prevented further frustration for me trying to find their B,M,D records.

Obviously I have received some confusing info from family members.

Looks like my grandfather was James Albert Page and his father was James Thomas Page.
I will check this out with records

My appreciation,
Cliff

Possible marriage for William C and Eliza?

Name: William Charles Page - labourer
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Eliza Lear - widow
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Dec 1850
Parish: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Page - deceased
Spouse Father Name: William Baldwin - deceased
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses William and Ann Carter.

EDIT: Marriage says Eliza's father was William Baldwin (deceased), but census 1871 above has a William Baldwin lodging with the family, perhaps a brother or other relative of Eliza?


Possible baptism for William (census 1871 says born Southwark, marriage says father's name William)


Name: William Charles Page
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 Sep 1825
Father's Name: William Page
Mother's Name: Ann Page
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark St Saviour
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 28th Aug 1825. Father a labourer.

James Thomas Page in 1871 with parents???

Census 1871:

Address: Ann Street, West Ham County: Essex

PAGE, William C Head M 45 1826 Surrey Southwark, Engine driver
PAGE, Eliza Wife F 45 1826 Kent Deptford
PAGE, James T Son M 17 1854 Kent Rochester, Labourer
PAGE, George R Son M 12 1859 Kent Old Kent Road
PAGE, Fredrick W Son M 10 1861 Kent Greenwich
BALDWIN, William Lodger M 60 1811 Kent

It looks like there are two candidates for James Thomas Page's wife:


Marriages Sep 1878
>>>BRAIDY Mary W. Ham 4a 86
>>>FEATHERSTONE Mary W. Ham 4a 86
>>>PAGE James Thomas West Ham 4a 86
STACY Edward W. Ham 4a 86

As Patchem pointed out in the 1911 census it was James THOMAS Page who was living in Jupp Street.

Here we have that same James THOMAS Page born 1854, living in Jupp Street with son James ALBERT born 1879, in census 1901.

Census 1901:


Address: 31, Jupp Road, West Ham County: Essex

PAGE, James Thomas Head Married M 47 1854 Mill Laborer
Rochester, Kent<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
PAGE, Mary Wife Married F 44 1857 Stratford, Essex
PAGE, James Albert Son Single M 21 1880 General Laborer
Stratford, Essex<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
PAGE, Clara Daughter Single F 15 1886 Tailorist Apprentice Stratford, Essex
PAGE, Victoria Daughter Single F 11 1890 Stratford, Essex
PAGE, George Robert Son Single M 9 1892 Stratford, Essex
PAGE, Rebecca Daughter Single F 8 1893 Stratford, Essex
PAGE, Nellie Daughter Single F 5 1896 Stratford, Essex
PAGE, Ernest Son Single M 2 1899 Stratford, Essex
HOWES, Abram Lodger Single M 22 1879 Milkman
Yarmouth, Norfolk
WEST, John Lodger Single M 23 1878 General Carter
Mile End, London
FLEMING, Richard Lodger Widower M 61 1840 Stevedore
West Ham Parish


The 1911 census that patchem posted, said that James Thomas Page and Mary had 11 children, of whom 8 were living and 3 deceased at the time of censu 1911.

Um, Clifford, if you look at the records I posted above, it's James ALBERT Page who married Mary Ann Collins (or possibly Mary Ann Monk) in 1903, and was living at 53 Averill Road in census 1911 that I posted above., working as a stoker in a sugar factory...

They also have a son called James H Page born c1910 Fulham, according to the 1911 census.

I'm no relation, just trying to help you out as patchem was doing also.

Sorry for the confusion, but this is my first attempt to find ancestors.

Based on family info. my grandfather - James Henry Page was born 11.10.1879
He was married to Mary Anne Collins and lived at 53 Averill Street, Fulham.
His father James Albert? Page lived in Jupp Road, Stratford, East London and was reported to work in a sugar factory.??

Do we have related ancestors?
Many thanks,
Cliff

???

This guy was a stoker in a sugar factory:

Census 1911:
Address: 53 Averill Street Fulham S W County: London


PAGE, James A Head Married M 31 1880 Stoker Stratford London [Sugar factory worker on image]<<<<
PAGE, Mary A Wife Married 8 years F 31 1880 Plaistow London
PAGE, Susan M Daughter F 7 1904 Fulham London
PAGE, Lilian C Daughter F 5 1906 Fulham London
PAGE, Alice M Daughter F 4 1907 Fulham London
PAGE, James H Son M 1 1910 Fulham London<<<<<

Who was born in 1879, James Albert Page or James Henry Page, as it's not too clear from your post?

eg:

Births Dec 1879 Page James Albert W. Ham 4a 95

Marriages Mar 1903
Collins Mary Ann E W. Ham 4a 124
Martin William W. Ham 4a 124
Monk Mary Ann L W. Ham 4a 124
Page James Albert W. Ham 4a 124

This is james Thomas NOT James Albert living in Jupp Road, 11 children
1911 England Census
James Thomas Page Age in 1911: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male
Birth Place: Rochester, Kent
Civil Parish: West Ham County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address: 5 Jupp Road, Stratford E
Marital Status: Married Occupation: General Labourer
Registration District: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188 Sub-registration District: Stratford
ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household Schedule Number: 28
Piece: 9347
James Thomas Page 57
Mary Page 54
George Robert Page 19
Rebecca Page 17
Ellen Alice Rose Page 15
Earnest Edward Page 12
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 9347; Schedule Number: 28.

Welcome to the boards, Clifford.

If you apply for James Henry's birth certificate, it will have his Mother's maiden name on it.

Added:
is this the family,as names and places out?
1891 England Census
James Pace [James Page] Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Pace
Gender: Male Where born: Rochester, Kent, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: West Ham County/Island: Essex Country: England
Condition as to marriage:
Registration District: West Ham
Sub-registration District: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 64
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1331 Folio: 98 Page Number: 28
James Pace 37
Mary Pace 34
James A Pace 11
William C Pace 8
Clara Pace 5
Jutora Pace 1
James Gosling 62
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1331; Folio: 98; Page: 28; GSU Roll: 6096441.

What are you trying to find?