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audcliff
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18 May 2013 22:32 |
James Albert was the father of my grandfather James Henry Page (b11.10.1879 d 20.12.1955) James Albert married Mary (Last name unknown) they had 13 children. Some names are: James, Clara,George,Ernest,Rebecca,Victoria,and Ellen They lived either 33 Knowle Road, Bow OR Jupp Road, Stratford, East London James Albert was the oldest of 16 children. He worked in a sugar refinery and lost 1/2 of one foot due to a machine accident
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patchem
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18 May 2013 22:36 |
Welcome to the boards, Clifford.
If you apply for James Henry's birth certificate, it will have his Mother's maiden name on it.
Added: is this the family,as names and places out? 1891 England Census James Pace [James Page] Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Pace Gender: Male Where born: Rochester, Kent, England Civil Parish: West Ham Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: West Ham County/Island: Essex Country: England Condition as to marriage: Registration District: West Ham Sub-registration District: West Ham ED, institution, or vessel: 64 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1331 Folio: 98 Page Number: 28 James Pace 37 Mary Pace 34 James A Pace 11 William C Pace 8 Clara Pace 5 Jutora Pace 1 James Gosling 62 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1331; Folio: 98; Page: 28; GSU Roll: 6096441.
What are you trying to find?
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patchem
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18 May 2013 23:00 |
This is james Thomas NOT James Albert living in Jupp Road, 11 children 1911 England Census James Thomas Page Age in 1911: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Rochester, Kent Civil Parish: West Ham County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address: 5 Jupp Road, Stratford E Marital Status: Married Occupation: General Labourer Registration District: West Ham Registration District Number: 188 Sub-registration District: Stratford ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household Schedule Number: 28 Piece: 9347 James Thomas Page 57 Mary Page 54 George Robert Page 19 Rebecca Page 17 Ellen Alice Rose Page 15 Earnest Edward Page 12 Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 9347; Schedule Number: 28.
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Kucinta
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18 May 2013 23:29 |
Who was born in 1879, James Albert Page or James Henry Page, as it's not too clear from your post?
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Births Dec 1879 Page James Albert W. Ham 4a 95
Marriages Mar 1903 Collins Mary Ann E W. Ham 4a 124 Martin William W. Ham 4a 124 Monk Mary Ann L W. Ham 4a 124 Page James Albert W. Ham 4a 124
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Kucinta
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18 May 2013 23:33 |
???
This guy was a stoker in a sugar factory:
Census 1911: Address: 53 Averill Street Fulham S W County: London
PAGE, James A Head Married M 31 1880 Stoker Stratford London [Sugar factory worker on image]<<<< PAGE, Mary A Wife Married 8 years F 31 1880 Plaistow London PAGE, Susan M Daughter F 7 1904 Fulham London PAGE, Lilian C Daughter F 5 1906 Fulham London PAGE, Alice M Daughter F 4 1907 Fulham London PAGE, James H Son M 1 1910 Fulham London<<<<<
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audcliff
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19 May 2013 00:13 |
Sorry for the confusion, but this is my first attempt to find ancestors.
Based on family info. my grandfather - James Henry Page was born 11.10.1879 He was married to Mary Anne Collins and lived at 53 Averill Street, Fulham. His father James Albert? Page lived in Jupp Road, Stratford, East London and was reported to work in a sugar factory.??
Do we have related ancestors? Many thanks, Cliff
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Kucinta
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19 May 2013 00:30 |
Um, Clifford, if you look at the records I posted above, it's James ALBERT Page who married Mary Ann Collins (or possibly Mary Ann Monk) in 1903, and was living at 53 Averill Road in census 1911 that I posted above., working as a stoker in a sugar factory...
They also have a son called James H Page born c1910 Fulham, according to the 1911 census.
I'm no relation, just trying to help you out as patchem was doing also.
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Kucinta
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19 May 2013 00:39 |
As Patchem pointed out in the 1911 census it was James THOMAS Page who was living in Jupp Street.
Here we have that same James THOMAS Page born 1854, living in Jupp Street with son James ALBERT born 1879, in census 1901.
Census 1901:
Address: 31, Jupp Road, West Ham County: Essex
PAGE, James Thomas Head Married M 47 1854 Mill Laborer Rochester, Kent<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< PAGE, Mary Wife Married F 44 1857 Stratford, Essex PAGE, James Albert Son Single M 21 1880 General Laborer Stratford, Essex<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< PAGE, Clara Daughter Single F 15 1886 Tailorist Apprentice Stratford, Essex PAGE, Victoria Daughter Single F 11 1890 Stratford, Essex PAGE, George Robert Son Single M 9 1892 Stratford, Essex PAGE, Rebecca Daughter Single F 8 1893 Stratford, Essex PAGE, Nellie Daughter Single F 5 1896 Stratford, Essex PAGE, Ernest Son Single M 2 1899 Stratford, Essex HOWES, Abram Lodger Single M 22 1879 Milkman Yarmouth, Norfolk WEST, John Lodger Single M 23 1878 General Carter Mile End, London FLEMING, Richard Lodger Widower M 61 1840 Stevedore West Ham Parish
The 1911 census that patchem posted, said that James Thomas Page and Mary had 11 children, of whom 8 were living and 3 deceased at the time of censu 1911.
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Kucinta
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19 May 2013 00:45 |
It looks like there are two candidates for James Thomas Page's wife:
Marriages Sep 1878 >>>BRAIDY Mary W. Ham 4a 86 >>>FEATHERSTONE Mary W. Ham 4a 86 >>>PAGE James Thomas West Ham 4a 86 STACY Edward W. Ham 4a 86
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Kucinta
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19 May 2013 00:54 |
James Thomas Page in 1871 with parents???
Census 1871:
Address: Ann Street, West Ham County: Essex
PAGE, William C Head M 45 1826 Surrey Southwark, Engine driver PAGE, Eliza Wife F 45 1826 Kent Deptford PAGE, James T Son M 17 1854 Kent Rochester, Labourer PAGE, George R Son M 12 1859 Kent Old Kent Road PAGE, Fredrick W Son M 10 1861 Kent Greenwich BALDWIN, William Lodger M 60 1811 Kent
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Kucinta
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19 May 2013 00:59 |
Possible marriage for William C and Eliza?
Name: William Charles Page - labourer Age: Full Age Spouse Name: Eliza Lear - widow Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 8 Dec 1850 Parish: Newington St Mary Borough: Southwark Father Name: William Page - deceased Spouse Father Name: William Baldwin - deceased Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses William and Ann Carter.
EDIT: Marriage says Eliza's father was William Baldwin (deceased), but census 1871 above has a William Baldwin lodging with the family, perhaps a brother or other relative of Eliza?
Possible baptism for William (census 1871 says born Southwark, marriage says father's name William)
Name: William Charles Page Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 18 Sep 1825 Father's Name: William Page Mother's Name: Ann Page Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark St Saviour Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Registers
Born 28th Aug 1825. Father a labourer.
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audcliff
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19 May 2013 01:18 |
Many thanks. You have been a great help and prevented further frustration for me trying to find their B,M,D records.
Obviously I have received some confusing info from family members.
Looks like my grandfather was James Albert Page and his father was James Thomas Page. I will check this out with records
My appreciation, Cliff
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Kucinta
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19 May 2013 10:49 |
Is this the death of your grandfather?
Name: James A Page Birth Date: abt 1879 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1955 Age at Death: 76 Registration District: Ipswich Inferred County: Suffolk Volume: 4b Page: 823
Not sure about the location, but it fits with the info you posted about 'James Henry', and also the birth GRO ref for James Albert I cited in my first post.
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Kucinta
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19 May 2013 19:41 |
This death in 1958 is actually the correct one, as shown by the probate record. Death date you gave in original posting appear to be a little out;
Name: James A Page Birth Date: abt 1879<<<<<<<<< Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1958<<<<<< Age at Death: 79 Registration District: Kensington Inferred County: London Volume: 5c Page: 1156
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Name: James Albert Page Probate Date: 30 Jan 1959 Death Date: 18 Dec 1958 Death Place: London, England Registry: London, England
James Albert Page of 53 Averill Street Hammersmith London died at St Mary Abbotts Hospital Kensington London. Probate to James Henry Page librarian. Effects £715 12s 4d.
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audcliff
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19 May 2013 20:33 |
Based on all your research, the information I have received from family members has to be questioned. Thanks for all the good work. Thus far I only have two contacts Patchem and Kucinta. I don't wish to wear out my welcome, but will I be able to contact either of you again with inquiries for other ancestors in my family tree ? Cliff
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Kucinta
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19 May 2013 23:57 |
Cliff,
If it's the same family, just add to this thread to bring it to the top of the board. (and remove the 'answered' marking.)
If a different family, then start a new thread on the' Finding Ancestors' board.
If you put youreinquries on the boards, you should get more response, and we can 'check' each other's research, bounce ideas off each other etc. Different folk have access to different sites/sources, so it pays to cast your net wide by using the boards.
I'd certainly be happy to help with any future threads of yours I spot on here.
BTW, I think you accidently shot yourself in the foot by marking this particular thread as 'answered', so other helpers would have assumed you'd learnt all you needed to know.
No danger of outwearing your welcome on the boards, there are plenty of us who relish the chance to get our teeth into a fresh inquiry or two ;-)
Just remember not to mark your threads as answered until you're satisfied we can help you no further.
RE the info from your family, it seems to be mainly a question of confusion over the names of the various James, James Henry, James Albert and James Thomas.
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audcliff
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29 May 2013 02:26 |
Hi K I am getting very frustrated trying to start the ancestry of my father Alfred Ernest Holloway. Shamefully I do not know his mothers first name, and I believe she remarried changing her surname from Holloway to Docherty (spelling ??) My dad died 14 March 1965 at the age of 57. My mother Alice May Holloway (nee Page) born 9 Aug 1908 and died 7 Aug 1996. I believe my Dad was born in Acton, West London W3, Brentford district ? I need to find his mothers names at birth. Can't seem to turn anything up? Cliff By the way, as this is a new thread how do I start one please.
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Kucinta
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29 May 2013 08:40 |
Hi Cliff
Just go to the main 'Find ancestors board' and to the right of 'All threads on "Find Ancestors" board' is a button called 'Add Topic'
Click on that, and cut and paste the info on your father that you gave here.
I'm off to work now but someone will come along and help.
Whatever you do, DON'T mark the new thread as answered - or no one else will look at it, as they'll think it's finished.
EDIT: if you remember anything else, eg did your father have brothers or sisters, and if so, do you know their names and if they were older or younger? Anything to help identify the family. Add it to your opening post on the new thread if so.
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