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Hi Glitterbaby, Yes do have birth certificates for george and lucy. There were 2 more children from the second relationship. Bertha and Lilian (mY Mother) Thomas had 5 children from his first marriage to Mary Ann Davies, and Charlotte had 1 son by her marriage to Alfred Walkley. Thomas left Mary Ann in 1905/6 when Charlotte gave birth to his Son George in Birkenhead, having left her son William behind.. Scanderlous! Hence the problem locating the birth registration of Charles Perrett - the second son of Thomas and Charlotte. I do have a Baptismal Cert for Charles. This was in September of 1906 and was in St Andrews Church, Litherland.

Births Dec 1909 (>99%)

Jones Lucy Rebecca Dartford 2a 614

this is one of the sons of Thomas, note "DAvies " middle name (after his mother Mary Ann DAvies)

Name: Richard Davies Jones
Birth Year: abt 1885
Age: 28
Marriage Date: 4 Aug 1913
Parish: Toxteth St Cleopas
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Emmett
Father's Name: Thomas Deacon Jones
Spouse Father's Name: James Emmett

The helpers post the info so that we have it in front of us to try and help with the search.

Do you have the birth certs for George and Lucy ?

Thank you to all who have replied with info to do with Emily Davis Jones. However I already have the info from the 1911 Census and also the info on George Hilton Jones, the death of Charles Perrett Jones and the info on Charlotte and Thomas. I still cannot find a birth registration for Charles Perrett or for Emily Davis Jones. I have never found a marriage for Thomas and Charlotte and as they were both married to other people at the time that they absconded with each other I very much doubt that they ever got married!! I have found quite a lot of info on the family but Charles Perrett and Emily Davis Jones have managed to escape me. Thanks for trying to help. Linda

:-(

Thanks MarieCeleste

Still not finding any possible marriage for the parents or the birth of Emily

Would love to know what it says on the birth certs of George and Lucy.

GB mentioned Willian James Walkley:

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: William James Walkley
Gender: Male
Age: 19
Birth Date: abt 1904
Departure Date: 29 Mar 1923
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Melbourne, Australia
Ship Name: Beltana
Shipping Line: P & O Branch Service
Official Number: 131853
Master: Captain B J Cornewall-Jones

He was a carter, apparently travelling alone. Last address was 22 Worthing Street, Blundersands, Liverpool.
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Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
Name: Mr W J Walkley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Age: 19
Arrival Date: 17 May 1923
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: London
Ship: Beltana
Nationality: English

No image for further details.

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Death
Name:JONES, Charles Perritt
Date of death:20 December 1939
Age:33
Place of death:The Downs
Place of birth:British Bootle
Belonging to service:
Ship's name:Napia
Series:BT334 - Registers and Indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths of Passengers and Seamen at Sea
Box:0096
Page:11
(last place of abode, 60, Chalk Road, Gravesend)

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Do you have the birth certs for George and Lucy ?

Name: William James Walkley
Birth Date: 25 Apr 1903
Baptism Date: 13 May 1903
Parish: Toxteth St Cleopas
Father's Name: Alfred James Walkley
Mother's Name: Charles Elizabeth Walkley - Charlotte on image



He appears on this databasee which I do not have access to:
Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923



1911?
Name: William Walkeley
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Nephew
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Toxteth, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 39 Rosebery St Liverpool
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Registration District Number: 454
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park Central
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 22266
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Higgins 41
Maria Higgins 39
May Higgins 11
Edith Higgins 8
William Walkeley 7
Laurence Higgins 3
Donald Higgins 38
Godfrey Higgins 31



Marriages Dec 1895 (>99%)
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>>>Higgins Thomas Barlow Toxteth Park 8b 390
Preston George Herbert Toxteth Park 8b 390
Robertson Lilias Toxteth Park 8b 390
Robetson Lilias Toxteth Park 8b 390
>>>Walkley Maria Elizabeth Toxteth Park 8b 390

1901 beginning to think she did not marry Thomas Jones

Name: Charlotte E Hodgson
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Hodgson
Mother's Name: Ann J Hodgson
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cleopas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Piece: 3430
Folio: 113
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
William Hodgson 51
Ann J Hodgson 50
Charlotte E Hodgson 20
Esther Hodgson 14
Edith Hodgson 12
Evelyn Hodgson 6
Frederick Brown 29
Emily E Brown 23
Hilton Brown 4


Class: RG13; Piece: 3430; Folio: 113; Page: 14

Thanks again Pam

I can find Alfred Walkley on 1911 census shown as married but not with wife. Not find any Walkley/Hodgson births after 1911



Name: Alfred James Walkley
Birth Year: abt 1880
Age: 22
Marriage Date: 10 Feb 1902
Parish: Toxteth St Cleopas
Spouse's Name: Charlotte Elizabeth Hodgson
Father's Name: Frederick William Walkley
Spouse Father's Name: William Hodgson - warehouse man

But occupation is block maker

Name: Thomas Deacon Jones
Birth Year: abt 1865
Age: 19
Marriage Date: 28 Sep 1884
Parish: Toxteth St Michael
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Davies
Father's Name: David Jones
Spouse Father's Name: Richard Davies

The father's age and POB would be about right: (ie - of Charles Perritt Jones died 1939)

Births Mar 1865 (>99%)
Jones Thomas Deacon W.Derby 8b 295

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1902
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HODGSON Charlotte E WALKLEY Alfred J Toxteth Park, St. Cleopas Liverpool 2065TP/2/276

Could this be Charles's death?? Mother Martha??

UK, Commonwealth War Graves, 1914-1921 and 1939-1947 about Charles Perritt Jones
Name: Charles Perritt Jones
Age: 33
Birth Date: abt 1906
Death Date: 20 Dec 1939
Cemetery: The Tower Hill Memorial Part VIII (I'an-Kyt)
Burial Country: England
Father: Thomas Deakon Jones
Mother: Martha Jones


[EDIT: sorry, just noticed GB had already posted this.]

He was Merchant Navy, Leading Hand. Ship: SS Napia. Husband of Annie Louisa Jones, Gravesend.

Keep looking at the marriage

Marriages Mar 1902 (>99%)
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Butler Joseph Toxteth Park 8b 296
Hodgson Charlotte Elizabeth Toxteth park 8b 296
Leather Margaret Ann Toxteth Park 8b 296
Walkley Alfred James Toxteth Park 8b 296


Given that Thomas was born in Liverpool so wonder if she was married and then left that marriage to go with Thomas

If the birth place on 1911 is correct then choice of two reg districts

East Tilbury under Orsett
Tilbury juxta Clare under Halstead